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2016 Postmortem

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Turn CO Blue

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Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:31 PM Mar 2016

I'm in Colorado. I was the caucus captain. None of our Bernie delegates wound up on the list [View all]

for the County Convention tomorrow, meaning MY name was also left off.

In our precinct, it went 4 for Bernie Sanders, 3 for Hillary Clinton.

But there ARE seven names for our precinct on that list.

All seven of them are for Hillary. Before I fly off, a reasonable explantion is that it was a clerical thing - where the Hillary alternates were entered in as delegates instead of alternates. Except that would equal six, not seven.

Or I am talking myself off the ceiling with that logic and benefit of the doubt anyway.

(Seven are for Hillary? How do I know this? Because I go to the District breakfasts sometimes, because I recognize some names, one of them is our PCP, one is our chair, etc. AND because I snooped a bit on Facebook).

I hope that the Hillary supporters understand just WHY we are all so suspicious of cheating.

I really, sincerely try to NOT leap to conclusions.

Even so, I am a very practical person and can see with the Colorado process (way too many races on caucus night, all of them needing delegates and alternates, a lot of people passing sheets to write their name and contact info, some for CD1, some for regent, some for assembly, some for presidential delegate) - that this could easily some kind of major clerical error. (Because frankly, the young man who ran our caucus was in over his head.)

But the issue I take is that is NOT EASY to correct the error.

The Bernie campaign has no standing to argue, so the four of us will have to argue to be seated tomorrow in front of a Credential Committee. One good thing is that as far as the Bernie organizer could tell -- from his list that Bernie has the correct TOTAL number of delegates in our county (for the numbers tomorrow), so he wasn't too concerned because mine was the first he had heard of people's names not being on the delegate/alternate list. He said that it just seems on a precinct by precinct level, the numbers are wrong with the overall total being correct. But with everything going on, what if he's wrong? I will be spitting mad tomorrow if a whole bunch of people are being told their name is not on the list.

The reply we got back from Denver Democrats was terse and basically said that the delegates were the names completed on the DPOD form (whatever that is) so that is who will be seated. And that we could take it up tomorrow with the Credential Committee. Sounds like a fun time will be had by all in that committee room, I'll tell ya!

I sent in some very convincing evidence (I had our delegates and alternates write a list and contact info in their own handwriting on a second sheet for the Bernie campaign in case they asked) so I do have something from the night of the caucus.

AND a couple of people in the precinct and the district know me, but I am still all riled up. I just have a fear that we will not be heard, or that the session for the next level of delegates will happen while we are still in another room trying to get seated. Ugh.

I have also written a note to the district chair (who is over our precinct) for her to assist us with arguing to be seated tomorrow, but she has not read it yet (no read receipt).

I realize that 4 delegates out of several hundreds (or whatever) doesn't mean much statistically even, but I still feel like I volunteered and want to be seated and wanted to run for delegate to go to the state convention. Yuk. I feel yucky.

I deeply apologize to POC reading this and to young college students for not working more passionately for voting rights in the past. Talk about learning a lesson about how it FEELS to think you may be disenfranchised.


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If you aren't seated, contact a lawyer. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #1
Good luck tomorrow and hopefully this is a mix up of some sort mythology Mar 2016 #2
Help me understand. You were elected as a delegate to represent Sanders for your rhett o rick Mar 2016 #3
Trying to find the right words to explain. Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #6
I don't. How many people were in your precinct? How many delegates were rhett o rick Mar 2016 #22
Yes, I was elected to be a delegate. Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #26
I would insist on being seated. Best of luck. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #31
Does the Sanders campaign have contact info for the delegates Kittycat Mar 2016 #4
Nope, but on my own I sent a reminder email to them all this a.m. One of them noticed Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #12
Good work Kittycat Mar 2016 #30
Those misappropriated delegates represent a whole lot of peoples votes & hopes. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #5
Welp, believe me, my whole life people have told me that I should have been a lawyer. Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #7
Then..you will keep at it...and make enough fuss to be heard! KoKo Mar 2016 #8
Give 'em hell (only if you have to)! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #9
If it walks like a duck... CentralMass Mar 2016 #10
Well, when I went to one of the breakfasts Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #15
Strange (not really) how it always works in her favor....Ugh..n/t monmouth4 Mar 2016 #11
Probably Just Incompetence. srobert Mar 2016 #13
Yes, Occam's Razor and all that. Clerical mistake (wrong names entered on wrong line in database) Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #16
I was a site leader at the caucus (Colorado). madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #14
Yes, I will definitely be sticking around to help the local party, go to chili fundraisers LOL. Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #17
Maybe they changed all the names after the fact, if they didn't think it was Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #18
Are you saying that a vote can be changed because there aren't enough of one particular liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #21
No vote is changed. madamesilverspurs Mar 2016 #23
But TurnCoBlue just said that all the delegates ended up being for Hillary. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #24
Makes no sense to me, either. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #45
Wishing you patience and success. roody Mar 2016 #19
But caucases are harder to cheat! joshcryer Mar 2016 #20
?? I never made a pronouncement like that either way. Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #27
There has to be someone you can contact. Your election board? Sec or State? Co Dem Party? jillan Mar 2016 #25
It was a bit confusing. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #28
I've been through that process in CO, SheilaT Mar 2016 #29
I am CD7/State Delegate running for National RJMastronardi Mar 2016 #32
Hmmm. No slips, but I will keep that in mind for procedural questioning. nt Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #35
Usually the Sanders camp waits until after the election to start the cries of "fraud!" Tarc Mar 2016 #33
I am not the "Sanders Camp". And if you want to dehumanize someone Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #34
They don't care senseandsensibility Mar 2016 #36
... Tarc Mar 2016 #43
Did Hillary's campaign teach you to fight dirty or does it come natural? think Mar 2016 #37
Only one response with a Clinton avatar, and it totally ignores the substance Jim Lane Mar 2016 #38
Do you know if Hillary has spoken out against the massive voter suppression that took place Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #44
When I was a state delegate in 2008, I and my son mmonk Mar 2016 #39
I had this happen as well- You can fix this. wildnfree Mar 2016 #40
That's a great post. smiley Mar 2016 #41
This all sounds very Republican to me. Vinca Mar 2016 #42
We are at WAR! Sal Giacchi Apr 2016 #46
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