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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)12. She is also the candidate of cluster bomb endorsement, I am curious if any of those quid pro
Arms sales included in their inventory cluster bombs, anybody have the shopping list handy?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1140849
Here is the bill: the Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act.
This was a single purpose amendment to a larger defense bill so was not part of an omnibus bill where she could have had mixed goals. This was an act to limit the use and transfer of cluster munitions to those munitions that have a 99% or higher reliability rate, would prohibit use of cluster munitions in areas where civilians are known to be present and would require a cleanup plan of cluster munition remnants if the US used cluster munitions.
Historically, cluster munitions are particularly troubling because they are left in place and affect civilians ... including those women and children that Hillary expresses she is a fighter for. It is a world wide issue and is the subject of numerous diplomatic attempts to take these munitions that affect civilians off the table.
Of all her warlike votes, this may be the worst. There was no progressive or liberal reason for anyone to vote against this amendment. Her vote was either because she is a defense hawk or because she wanted to look like one and not look soft. It is one of the worst weapons in the world. Hillary joined 15 other democrats and EVERY REPUBLICAN iN voting this way. Her democratic company included most of the conservative war democrats in the senate: lieberman, nelson, landrieu, pryor, shumer. Surprisingly it was a Feinstein introduced Amendment which shows that such munitions even concern people who generally are defense hawks.
And for you Clinton lovers who want to associate her fully with Obama. Of course he voted for the Ban because he does not have the war baggage she has. Hillary voted against banning these munitions and there really is no excuse for this vote.
Some links below on cluster bombs and the Bill.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2012106/hillary-and-cluster-bombs-is-this-what-we-want
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/21/425303/-Hillary-Clinton-Voted-to-Continue-Cluster-Bombing-Civilians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251413864
This was a single purpose amendment to a larger defense bill so was not part of an omnibus bill where she could have had mixed goals. This was an act to limit the use and transfer of cluster munitions to those munitions that have a 99% or higher reliability rate, would prohibit use of cluster munitions in areas where civilians are known to be present and would require a cleanup plan of cluster munition remnants if the US used cluster munitions.
Historically, cluster munitions are particularly troubling because they are left in place and affect civilians ... including those women and children that Hillary expresses she is a fighter for. It is a world wide issue and is the subject of numerous diplomatic attempts to take these munitions that affect civilians off the table.
Of all her warlike votes, this may be the worst. There was no progressive or liberal reason for anyone to vote against this amendment. Her vote was either because she is a defense hawk or because she wanted to look like one and not look soft. It is one of the worst weapons in the world. Hillary joined 15 other democrats and EVERY REPUBLICAN iN voting this way. Her democratic company included most of the conservative war democrats in the senate: lieberman, nelson, landrieu, pryor, shumer. Surprisingly it was a Feinstein introduced Amendment which shows that such munitions even concern people who generally are defense hawks.
And for you Clinton lovers who want to associate her fully with Obama. Of course he voted for the Ban because he does not have the war baggage she has. Hillary voted against banning these munitions and there really is no excuse for this vote.
Some links below on cluster bombs and the Bill.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2012106/hillary-and-cluster-bombs-is-this-what-we-want
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/21/425303/-Hillary-Clinton-Voted-to-Continue-Cluster-Bombing-Civilians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251413864
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Roger That - No More Queens Of War - That Enable Death - Destroying The Lives Of Millions
cantbeserious
Feb 2016
#1
Yes - Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen
cantbeserious
Feb 2016
#5
Hillary's diplomatic achievement: "a swath of violence that now stretches from Mali to Afghanistan"
Kip Humphrey
Feb 2016
#2
There are two primary beneficiaries, both are Mideast, both have bankrolled her
leveymg
Feb 2016
#45
Sadly, based on effects, New Dem interventionism and Neo-conservatism broadly intersect
HereSince1628
Feb 2016
#6
It was and remains a terrible thing that series never aired on US broadcast tv
HereSince1628
Feb 2016
#43
She is also the candidate of cluster bomb endorsement, I am curious if any of those quid pro
Dragonfli
Feb 2016
#12
Make no mistake: her warmongering is a huge part of her appeal to her supporters. nt
Romulox
Feb 2016
#19
That's my biggest concern about her. Guaranteed continual war. So that's where
valerief
Feb 2016
#26
K&R This is what Hillary represents, above all....coupled with Flawed Judgement, as Evidenced by
amborin
Feb 2016
#28
Kicked and recommended! I knew it. Wars are profitable! But not to regular people.
Enthusiast
Feb 2016
#35
Bill Clinton: "Hillary didn't study lists of my contributors." CNN June 2015 interview.
bobthedrummer
Feb 2016
#41