2016 Postmortem

treestar

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61. My first thought was

Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:29 PM

Feb 2016

"because they are Republicans?"

As for Dems who don't think single payer would pass right now, that does not mean they do not want single payer. It's fallacious but they think they can spin that into us not wanting it.

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What is it with people who want us to have to continue paying health insurance... [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 OP

It's because they're afraid of the unknown. Avalux Feb 2016 #1

That may actually be part of it. And in that case we need to jwirr Feb 2016 #48

...and , in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, ANYONE could attend a State University.. bvar22 Feb 2016 #66

Exactly. jwirr Feb 2016 #130

Probably true - It's a trait that most 'conservatives' have Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #63

But, it's not unknown, it's Medicare. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #91

This puzzles me too, granny... CTyankee Feb 2016 #123

Hillary! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #2

They are obsessed with a woman 840high Feb 2016 #109

I believe Sanders would royal screw any chance we have at single payer over the next decade. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #3

No coalition? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #7

I find it to be humorous to refer to that as a coalition. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #14

She's Big Time alright. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #16

Kick for a Peter Gabriel nod... nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #22

Now pull out the Sledgehammer. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #36

Sledgehammers are too heavy tk2kewl Feb 2016 #45

Peter Gabriel Rec! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #95

LOL. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #10

Why would a socialist boil my blood? That makes no sense. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23

And the candidate who says it will never happen doesn't???? jeff47 Feb 2016 #12

Right? Jesus... the intellectual KNOTS Hillary supporters have to tie themselves up in... AzDar Feb 2016 #53

Would Democratic politicians not vote for it? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #71

Essentially, that is correct. maxsolomon Feb 2016 #115

Stop calling it socialized healthcare. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #134

What a pant load. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #79

I suspect you enjoy... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #89

we'll find out soon enough ish of the hammer Feb 2016 #92

But H. Clinton's "coalition" is made up of the wealthy that make money out of our misery. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #127

Clinton is screwing single payer by saying we can't have it. eridani Feb 2016 #143

When you are suddenly not feeling well, is your first thought, "Can we afford it?" Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #4

A relative "insured" through a worthless ACA LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #29

sshhh! Because we're Democrats, we're not supposed to talk about how worthless it is. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #65

Bingo! Carolina Feb 2016 #73

The icing on the cake is that the relative LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #81

Not worthless to the blood sucking health insurance corps. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #84

I can tell you I'm still 840high Feb 2016 #110

I paid $891. a month for a silver plan last year... Contrary1 Feb 2016 #114

MeNotUs tk2kewl Feb 2016 #5

If Clinton opposed them, so would everyone else n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #6

Fear. jeff47 Feb 2016 #8

Many are confused Republicans, but belong to the wrong party. -none Feb 2016 #18

I believe most of the people who are afraid of single payer passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #107

You have to understand that insurance companies Demobrat Feb 2016 #9

They're an unnecessary industry. They're a profit-generating middle man. They must go. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #19

K&R... you are my new BFF! Carolina Feb 2016 #90

You won't get any argument from me. Demobrat Feb 2016 #125

What's with people who think Bernie can beat the GOP? Strange. DanTex Feb 2016 #11

What's with people who think Hillary can beat the GOP? Strange. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #86

Because Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #106

Hillary is the one without a chance there. Dems never win if 63% of the voters stay home eridani Feb 2016 #144

Why don't you go to free republic and ask those nutbags? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #13

I'm asking you. I'm asking you why you are fighting for and defending the status quo. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #15

Never mind..continue to ignore reality because it doesn't fit into your worldview workinclasszero Feb 2016 #20

Why do you support still having to pay profit-generating middle-man insurance companies... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #25

I support those things workinclasszero Feb 2016 #31

Oh, you don't like Bernie. Well, he can't win them all. Wild promises..."NO WE CAN'T!" nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #33

So you're in the "Party of Nope." blackspade Feb 2016 #39

Don't bother asking. Some right leaning so-called LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #44

WOW! Carolina Feb 2016 #94

Right you are, LibDemA chapdrum Feb 2016 #128

Thank you! You put it brilliantly! This is EXACTLY what I think we're dealing with here. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #136

Why are you asking NOW. Seriously. The time to ask was when everyone was mulling over ancianita Feb 2016 #108

My first thought was treestar Feb 2016 #61

But they will magically support Clinton and her changes? Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #74

They've never listened to Wendell Potter nt Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #17

Republicans. Many support Hillary. Many portray themselves as "Dem" Triana Feb 2016 #21

It's because, like in 2008, for many "making history" with their ballot is their one and only goal. MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #24

Triple-distilled truth, this. hifiguy Feb 2016 #85

Arithmetically challenged ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #26

Could it be dividends from stock holdings in insurance companies. hospitals and other medical places LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #27

hospitals won't be hurt by single payer. only insurance companies will need to find new business. magical thyme Feb 2016 #30

because the maths doesn't add up hill2016 Feb 2016 #28

Care is rationed now. It's limited to those who have the resources and is a burden or... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #32

I haven't seen hill2016 Feb 2016 #34

Care is rationed now. ETA: Also, how many more Americans can have healthcare with the profits... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #35

You're wasting your time. That one just keeps repeating the question no matter what the response. arcane1 Feb 2016 #75

I've seen a viable alternative nxylas Feb 2016 #52

the maths certainly do add up magical thyme Feb 2016 #38

They know the math. They just don't support a leg-up for the poor and middle class. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #41

more like they buy into the Republican "let them die quickly" for the 30 million magical thyme Feb 2016 #47

Other countries do it. Why can't we? subterranean Feb 2016 #117

Single Republican "Payer"? charin Feb 2016 #37

that doesn't even make any sense. magical thyme Feb 2016 #40

They're in charge of it now. blackspade Feb 2016 #50

Reasons people prefer Hillary thesquanderer Feb 2016 #42

Probably because most pushing those memes making all the noise... AOR Feb 2016 #43

Many people are 100% covered at work SHRED Feb 2016 #46

My s/o is covered at work. She has copays, monthly premiums, prescriptions, and a $2800 deductible ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #58

This malokvale77 Feb 2016 #96

Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #99

Thank you for your post, Doc. And thank you for caring about "the least of these". Now... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #139

Don't forget copays SHRED Feb 2016 #49

Because they are members of a brainwashed cult. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #51

Nobody's willing to risk their existing coverage in a crapshoot. nt oasis Feb 2016 #54

I don't think single payer i.e. "Medicare for all" means no premiums and no deductibles TacoD Feb 2016 #55

I hope it's understood that I'm talking about profit-taking middle-man insurance companies... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #59

They don't understand how things work... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #56

Two reasons. The ACA is Obama's legacy for one. Hillary is against them is the other. Autumn Feb 2016 #57

Personally... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #101

big things w0nderer Feb 2016 #60

There are those of us who understand basic math mythology Feb 2016 #62

JFK offered us the moon. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #64

We've looked at the numbers, and Bernie's don't make sense jmowreader Feb 2016 #67

Did you lop 40% off the top of healthcare costs that is caused by insurance companies? nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #70

Did you add in the 50% you're going to need to eliminate deductibles and co-pays? jmowreader Feb 2016 #80

You can't do that. I get it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #83

There you go! Asked and answered! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #82

K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #68

You may. Good luck in SC, and thanks for fighting the good fight! nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #72

I think most of them get their Insurance supplied by their employer. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #69

I think we pay enough taxes to accomplish your goals. The problem is wresting $$$ from the cold, WinkyDink Feb 2016 #76

Beats me. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #77

Anything resembling Socialism is a bogeyman to the uninformed. Ilsa Feb 2016 #78

What is it with people... iandhr Feb 2016 #87

Same reason they shop at Wal Mart Armstead Feb 2016 #88

Some are just flat out conservatives. Broward Feb 2016 #93

Single Payer Healthcare system is the way, the truth, the light. ACA was created by the conservative Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #97

nevermind the odds of your taxes going up for the actual middle class PatrynXX Feb 2016 #98

You mistake desire with accepting reality. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #100

A reality, pushed to the masses... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #111

No, it's a reality of mathematics. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #119

No... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #124

There are millions with jobs in the health industry, from receptionists to medical people ancianita Feb 2016 #102

They have PORTFOLIOS to ENRICHEN. nt valerief Feb 2016 #103

hear, hear... nradisic Feb 2016 #104

Well, left up to Sanders he'd blow away the ACA and start over, so premiums and deductibles.... George II Feb 2016 #105

Hogwash. nt malokvale77 Feb 2016 #112

You really think Bernie would blow up the ACA before a replacement was ready? subterranean Feb 2016 #122

He's said it more than once. George II Feb 2016 #132

Please provide a link or study to back up your claim or move along. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #137

Who are you to tell me to "move along"? George II Feb 2016 #140

Please provide something to back up your claim. Either a study or a link or something. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #141

That's the trillion dollar question. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #113

Phillosophy:"I've got mine, Jack, fuck the rest of you!" Divernan Feb 2016 #116

A great question. chapdrum Feb 2016 #118

Someone on the anti-single payer side has an OP senz Feb 2016 #120

what is it with people who want us to keep walking hfojvt Feb 2016 #121

It's the authoritarian mind-set. They don't like freedom and liberty because it requires rhett o rick Feb 2016 #126

Big second to that chapdrum Feb 2016 #129

Poorly sold. Poorly explained. Poorly thought out. Darb Feb 2016 #131

My grandson has no insurance right now, and his doctor prescribed Rispedone .5 mg 2 times a day. djean111 Feb 2016 #133

I think a lot of them are privilaged white collar middle class people... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #135

That's EXACTLY what it is. I've got mine so piss-off you low-life scum working class peons. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #138

Their insurance is (mostly) paid by their employers noiretextatique Feb 2016 #142

To shareholders, anothers illness is happiness. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #145