2016 Postmortem

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts) Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:14 PM Feb 2016

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What is it with people who want us to have to continue paying health insurance... [View all]

...premiums and deductibles when we could pay a bit more in taxes and have no premiums and no deductibles and no pharma-gouging while saving $1000s/yr? Why do some people still want our kids to have to go into debt to get a college education? Why don't certain people support the idea of a continuing higher education not to the 12th Grade, but to a 4-yr college degree? Why do they continue to support the status quo when it comes to minimum wage rather than a national $15/hr minimum living wage? Why do they support a candidate they know is bought and paid-for and beholden to big corporations and special interests and PACs?

I just do not get it why some of you support the continuation of these paradigms.

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What is it with people who want us to have to continue paying health insurance... [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 OP

It's because they're afraid of the unknown. Avalux Feb 2016 #1

That may actually be part of it. And in that case we need to jwirr Feb 2016 #48

...and , in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, ANYONE could attend a State University.. bvar22 Feb 2016 #66

Exactly. jwirr Feb 2016 #130

Probably true - It's a trait that most 'conservatives' have Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #63

But, it's not unknown, it's Medicare. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #91

This puzzles me too, granny... CTyankee Feb 2016 #123

Hillary! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #2

They are obsessed with a woman 840high Feb 2016 #109

I believe Sanders would royal screw any chance we have at single payer over the next decade. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #3

No coalition? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #7

I find it to be humorous to refer to that as a coalition. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #14

She's Big Time alright. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #16

Kick for a Peter Gabriel nod... nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #22

Now pull out the Sledgehammer. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #36

Sledgehammers are too heavy tk2kewl Feb 2016 #45

Peter Gabriel Rec! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #95

LOL. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #10

Why would a socialist boil my blood? That makes no sense. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23

And the candidate who says it will never happen doesn't???? jeff47 Feb 2016 #12

Right? Jesus... the intellectual KNOTS Hillary supporters have to tie themselves up in... AzDar Feb 2016 #53

Would Democratic politicians not vote for it? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #71

Essentially, that is correct. maxsolomon Feb 2016 #115

Stop calling it socialized healthcare. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #134

What a pant load. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #79

I suspect you enjoy... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #89

we'll find out soon enough ish of the hammer Feb 2016 #92

But H. Clinton's "coalition" is made up of the wealthy that make money out of our misery. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #127

Clinton is screwing single payer by saying we can't have it. eridani Feb 2016 #143

When you are suddenly not feeling well, is your first thought, "Can we afford it?" Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #4

A relative "insured" through a worthless ACA LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #29

sshhh! Because we're Democrats, we're not supposed to talk about how worthless it is. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #65

Bingo! Carolina Feb 2016 #73

The icing on the cake is that the relative LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #81

Not worthless to the blood sucking health insurance corps. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #84

I can tell you I'm still 840high Feb 2016 #110

I paid $891. a month for a silver plan last year... Contrary1 Feb 2016 #114

MeNotUs tk2kewl Feb 2016 #5

If Clinton opposed them, so would everyone else n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #6

Fear. jeff47 Feb 2016 #8

Many are confused Republicans, but belong to the wrong party. -none Feb 2016 #18

I believe most of the people who are afraid of single payer passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #107

You have to understand that insurance companies Demobrat Feb 2016 #9

They're an unnecessary industry. They're a profit-generating middle man. They must go. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #19

K&R... you are my new BFF! Carolina Feb 2016 #90

You won't get any argument from me. Demobrat Feb 2016 #125

What's with people who think Bernie can beat the GOP? Strange. DanTex Feb 2016 #11

What's with people who think Hillary can beat the GOP? Strange. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #86

Because Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #106

Hillary is the one without a chance there. Dems never win if 63% of the voters stay home eridani Feb 2016 #144

Why don't you go to free republic and ask those nutbags? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #13

I'm asking you. I'm asking you why you are fighting for and defending the status quo. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #15

Never mind..continue to ignore reality because it doesn't fit into your worldview workinclasszero Feb 2016 #20

Why do you support still having to pay profit-generating middle-man insurance companies... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #25

I support those things workinclasszero Feb 2016 #31

Oh, you don't like Bernie. Well, he can't win them all. Wild promises..."NO WE CAN'T!" nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #33

So you're in the "Party of Nope." blackspade Feb 2016 #39

Don't bother asking. Some right leaning so-called LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #44

WOW! Carolina Feb 2016 #94

Right you are, LibDemA chapdrum Feb 2016 #128

Thank you! You put it brilliantly! This is EXACTLY what I think we're dealing with here. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #136

Why are you asking NOW. Seriously. The time to ask was when everyone was mulling over ancianita Feb 2016 #108

My first thought was treestar Feb 2016 #61

But they will magically support Clinton and her changes? Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #74

They've never listened to Wendell Potter nt Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #17

Republicans. Many support Hillary. Many portray themselves as "Dem" Triana Feb 2016 #21

It's because, like in 2008, for many "making history" with their ballot is their one and only goal. MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #24

Triple-distilled truth, this. hifiguy Feb 2016 #85

Arithmetically challenged ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #26

Could it be dividends from stock holdings in insurance companies. hospitals and other medical places LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #27

hospitals won't be hurt by single payer. only insurance companies will need to find new business. magical thyme Feb 2016 #30

because the maths doesn't add up hill2016 Feb 2016 #28

Care is rationed now. It's limited to those who have the resources and is a burden or... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #32

I haven't seen hill2016 Feb 2016 #34

Care is rationed now. ETA: Also, how many more Americans can have healthcare with the profits... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #35

You're wasting your time. That one just keeps repeating the question no matter what the response. arcane1 Feb 2016 #75

I've seen a viable alternative nxylas Feb 2016 #52

the maths certainly do add up magical thyme Feb 2016 #38

They know the math. They just don't support a leg-up for the poor and middle class. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #41

more like they buy into the Republican "let them die quickly" for the 30 million magical thyme Feb 2016 #47

Other countries do it. Why can't we? subterranean Feb 2016 #117

Single Republican "Payer"? charin Feb 2016 #37

that doesn't even make any sense. magical thyme Feb 2016 #40

They're in charge of it now. blackspade Feb 2016 #50

Reasons people prefer Hillary thesquanderer Feb 2016 #42

Probably because most pushing those memes making all the noise... AOR Feb 2016 #43

Many people are 100% covered at work SHRED Feb 2016 #46

My s/o is covered at work. She has copays, monthly premiums, prescriptions, and a $2800 deductible ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #58

This malokvale77 Feb 2016 #96

Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #99

Thank you for your post, Doc. And thank you for caring about "the least of these". Now... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #139

Don't forget copays SHRED Feb 2016 #49

Because they are members of a brainwashed cult. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #51

Nobody's willing to risk their existing coverage in a crapshoot. nt oasis Feb 2016 #54

I don't think single payer i.e. "Medicare for all" means no premiums and no deductibles TacoD Feb 2016 #55

I hope it's understood that I'm talking about profit-taking middle-man insurance companies... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #59

They don't understand how things work... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #56

Two reasons. The ACA is Obama's legacy for one. Hillary is against them is the other. Autumn Feb 2016 #57

Personally... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #101

big things w0nderer Feb 2016 #60

There are those of us who understand basic math mythology Feb 2016 #62

JFK offered us the moon. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #64

We've looked at the numbers, and Bernie's don't make sense jmowreader Feb 2016 #67

Did you lop 40% off the top of healthcare costs that is caused by insurance companies? nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #70

Did you add in the 50% you're going to need to eliminate deductibles and co-pays? jmowreader Feb 2016 #80

You can't do that. I get it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #83

There you go! Asked and answered! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #82

K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #68

You may. Good luck in SC, and thanks for fighting the good fight! nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #72

I think most of them get their Insurance supplied by their employer. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #69

I think we pay enough taxes to accomplish your goals. The problem is wresting $$$ from the cold, WinkyDink Feb 2016 #76

Beats me. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #77

Anything resembling Socialism is a bogeyman to the uninformed. Ilsa Feb 2016 #78

What is it with people... iandhr Feb 2016 #87

Same reason they shop at Wal Mart Armstead Feb 2016 #88

Some are just flat out conservatives. Broward Feb 2016 #93

Single Payer Healthcare system is the way, the truth, the light. ACA was created by the conservative Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #97

nevermind the odds of your taxes going up for the actual middle class PatrynXX Feb 2016 #98

You mistake desire with accepting reality. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #100

A reality, pushed to the masses... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #111

No, it's a reality of mathematics. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #119

No... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #124

There are millions with jobs in the health industry, from receptionists to medical people ancianita Feb 2016 #102

They have PORTFOLIOS to ENRICHEN. nt valerief Feb 2016 #103

hear, hear... nradisic Feb 2016 #104

Well, left up to Sanders he'd blow away the ACA and start over, so premiums and deductibles.... George II Feb 2016 #105

Hogwash. nt malokvale77 Feb 2016 #112

You really think Bernie would blow up the ACA before a replacement was ready? subterranean Feb 2016 #122

He's said it more than once. George II Feb 2016 #132

Please provide a link or study to back up your claim or move along. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #137

Who are you to tell me to "move along"? George II Feb 2016 #140

Please provide something to back up your claim. Either a study or a link or something. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #141

That's the trillion dollar question. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #113

Phillosophy:"I've got mine, Jack, fuck the rest of you!" Divernan Feb 2016 #116

A great question. chapdrum Feb 2016 #118

Someone on the anti-single payer side has an OP senz Feb 2016 #120

what is it with people who want us to keep walking hfojvt Feb 2016 #121

It's the authoritarian mind-set. They don't like freedom and liberty because it requires rhett o rick Feb 2016 #126

Big second to that chapdrum Feb 2016 #129

Poorly sold. Poorly explained. Poorly thought out. Darb Feb 2016 #131

My grandson has no insurance right now, and his doctor prescribed Rispedone .5 mg 2 times a day. djean111 Feb 2016 #133

I think a lot of them are privilaged white collar middle class people... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #135

That's EXACTLY what it is. I've got mine so piss-off you low-life scum working class peons. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #138

Their insurance is (mostly) paid by their employers noiretextatique Feb 2016 #142

To shareholders, anothers illness is happiness. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #145