2016 Postmortem

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14. needed when Hillary is panicking

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Thu Jan 14, 2016, 08:41 AM

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Iowans deserve to know Sanders full tax and $15 trillion health care plan before the Iowa caucuses. [View all] Alfresco Jan 2016 OP

Meanwhile they can read about the plan he filed as a bill in the senate in 2013 Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #1

When will Bernie release his full tax plan as promised? Alfresco Jan 2016 #4

The 2013 legislation provides details on how that bill would be funded. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #10

Why doesn't he put these details on his website or publically announce them?? -like Hillary does!! riversedge Jan 2016 #78

Why would anyone safeinOhio Jan 2016 #90

You did not answer my question riversedge Jan 2016 #110

Likely because he wants it right the first time. floriduck Jan 2016 #108

As of right now the only thing Sanders is doing is being unfair to Iowa voters.... riversedge Jan 2016 #111

You're entitled to your opinion. floriduck Jan 2016 #118

Nate Silver has Hillary at 82% to win Iowa--Same as last everning riversedge Jan 2016 #119

When will Hillary's weather-vane point in the right direction Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #106

So you can't answer the question either. hmm... Alfresco Jan 2016 #107

You repeat the word in most of your posts. Suggest get something new. It is boring. riversedge Jan 2016 #112

The one with a 7% payroll tax? Recursion Jan 2016 #8

On employers. Oy. On individuals: 2.2% - 5.2% depending on income. Oy. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #13

Yeah, good luck with that Recursion Jan 2016 #17

reducing average healthcare costs for everyone? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #19

that is going to fuck every single down ballot Democrat. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #22

But at least somebody will have "fought", or something Recursion Jan 2016 #23

we have a chance to take the Senate back. msanthrope Jan 2016 #28

lol EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #24

you're laughing at losing Senate races? msanthrope Jan 2016 #27

I'm laughing at your desperate fearmongering EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #30

Which part? Agschmid Jan 2016 #37

No EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #47

Hmmm... Agschmid Jan 2016 #50

When I think of what costs me more every year, is it taxes or is it healthcare? Far and away it is Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #54

yeah but EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #58

I like Bernie's plan CorkySt.Clair Jan 2016 #97

when have we been wininng senate races? Hiraeth Jan 2016 #88

Really Dretownblues Jan 2016 #103

That's cheaper than health insurance premiums and deductibles! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #46

Depends. I've had jobs where it was less and jobs where it was more Recursion Jan 2016 #75

You do know that your payments for insurance go away right? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #69

And so people whose employers pay for their insurance do worse Recursion Jan 2016 #74

Who has an employer that pays all their insurance any more. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #80

Several of mine have Recursion Jan 2016 #83

Nope. Apparently they have bought into rightwing Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #99

Whow. Business will NOT like that. Now wonder he hides these figures riversedge Jan 2016 #79

Whow who cares? By the way for businesses Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #95

thread fucking win. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #64

Top Economist Says Bernie’s Plan Will Actually SAVE the US $5 Trillion Human101948 Jan 2016 #2

When will Bernie release his full tax plan as promised? Alfresco Jan 2016 #5

That horse is dead! Human101948 Jan 2016 #9

Are you saying Bernie will not keep his promise??.... riversedge Jan 2016 #114

Do you have any other questions besides the one that has been answered to Bohunk68 Jan 2016 #48

Please show me where Bernie has released his full tax plan. You can't. He hasn't. Alfresco Jan 2016 #73

You are correct--According to todays nytimes. Sanders promised to say how will pay for his riversedge Jan 2016 #116

Good luck with that Recursion Jan 2016 #11

The tax increase is an actual cost decrease! sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #40

You think voters will care? Recursion Jan 2016 #44

The ones with functional brains do. 99Forever Jan 2016 #55

But winning candidates have to (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #56

Winning candidates? 99Forever Jan 2016 #60

Ouch. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #65

Do you think I imagine my candidate is winning? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #68

You political preference kind of speaks to value of... 99Forever Jan 2016 #72

They polls show they do. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #66

I think that's false Recursion Jan 2016 #76

Really? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #77

It's not "strange"; it's broadly accepted among political operatives Recursion Jan 2016 #81

Only emotion? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #86

I have never voted based on an emotional connection to a candidate. Autumn Jan 2016 #91

The GOP newblewtoo Jan 2016 #89

Iowans deserve to know why Hillary and Chelsea lie about Bernie's health care plan Green Forest Jan 2016 #3

When will Bernie release his full tax plan as promised? Alfresco Jan 2016 #6

When it's ready. When will Hillary and her campaign stop lying about Bernie? Green Forest Jan 2016 #35

Do you see how having LIAR associated with your candidate can be fatal? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #93

Come on now, be nice to Green Forest. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #100

I am being nice, but I won't be nice to a candidate who lies about my candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #101

I'm sure Green Forest didn't mean any harm. Just let it go, you'll feel better for it. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #102

I'll just keep on doing as I see fit, if that works for you. Thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #104

They know why EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #31

LOL! How many ops is this now? Beat that dead horse! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #7

Sometimes constant refocusing is needed. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #12

needed when Hillary is panicking virtualobserver Jan 2016 #14

When Bernie releases his full tax plan I will stop, not until. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #15

No you won't. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #70

When Bernie fulfills his promise to release the tax plan, I'll quit asking about it. Scouts honor. Alfresco Jan 2016 #71

you noticed too Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #20

Well performance art can be entertaining. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #25

Good Morning Duckhunter. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #26

good morning Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #42

15 TRILLION!?! holy FUCK! Wow, that sure sounds like a lot. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #16

That's pretty clear on the $!5 trillion . Thanks Autumn Jan 2016 #92

No way will it cost 15 trillion coyote Jan 2016 #18

That is why Bernie needs to release his full tax plan so we will know the costs. Alfresco Jan 2016 #21

Why? coyote Jan 2016 #32

and he will virtualobserver Jan 2016 #41

No. Single Payer doesn't magically make doctors make less money Recursion Jan 2016 #29

Here are some salaries of Doctors in Germany...mind you the Euro is 10% stronger than the Dollar. coyote Jan 2016 #36

Check your data. German doctors start under 50k and max out at 80k Recursion Jan 2016 #38

You´re wrong and nor am I cherry picking the data. coyote Jan 2016 #45

Here's a start Recursion Jan 2016 #85

Max out at $80,000 TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #49

No way in hell Elmergantry Jan 2016 #59

You won't take on huge debt in a changed system. Ron Green Jan 2016 #87

Huh? Elmergantry Jan 2016 #98

In a rational system, the "free market" (including med. school loans) doesn't control everything. Ron Green Jan 2016 #115

cause a comprehensive system will subsidize them. Elmergantry Jan 2016 #117

Try PNHP. Or HCAO. Or MVHCA. Ron Green Jan 2016 #120

Euros. And yet it happens all over Europe Recursion Jan 2016 #84

Hope your German is up to this DFW Jan 2016 #109

Freedom to move Protalker Jan 2016 #33

Its not about the merits of his proposal. It's about puting the financials out for voters to decide. Alfresco Jan 2016 #82

Just an observation. Vinca Jan 2016 #34

STOP FEEDING THIS THREAD. LET IT DIE because the OP wants it to be kicked by angry Berners. Green Forest Jan 2016 #39

No, I want Bernie to release his full tax plan. Simple as that. Alfresco Jan 2016 #43

As my dear departed Irish Mother used to say: 99Forever Jan 2016 #63

So you kick it? Agschmid Jan 2016 #52

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #51

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #53

We are going to spend that money ANYWAY. This is not on top of what we are already spending. djean111 Jan 2016 #57

K&R leftofcool Jan 2016 #61

How clever ! ... Trajan Jan 2016 #62

I'm back. Got a question about my question? :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #67

Republican tack. Show us the cost without mmonk Jan 2016 #94

Yeah that Bernie. He hasn't shown the cost or the savings in his tax plan like promised. Alfresco Jan 2016 #96

The ball is in Bernies court--He needs to keep his promise...... riversedge Jan 2016 #113

If he keeps playing these games, it's only going to R B Garr Jan 2016 #105