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cleanhippie

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19. FFS, rug. If we're to have a meaningful conversation, please stop inferring things that aren't there

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:44 PM

Apr 2013

And misconstruing what I did say.

Yes, parents should be able to convey their beliefs and values to their children. They should not be able to tell their children that what they believe is what the child must believe and that said belief is factual and true while other religious beliefs are not. That is indoctrination.

We ARE talking about forcing children to believe, which is just what religion does.

And we are talking specifically about religion, which is not based on fact but faith. Faith without evidence, mostly in direct contradiction to the factual observations about the world we live in. Teaching that to children as fact IS indoctrination.

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Deconverted: A Journey from Religion to Reason [View all] cleanhippie Apr 2013 OP

I listened to the audiobook Brainstormy Apr 2013 #1

Thanks. Sounds like the same story many have told. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #2

As a listener to his podcast, I always associated his voice with a radio DJ brooklynite Apr 2013 #29

Fundamentalists are prone to shocking disillusionment. rug Apr 2013 #3

"...especially in regard to the indoctrination of children" cleanhippie Apr 2013 #4

And many more don't at all. rug Apr 2013 #5

Sunday school at a Christian church is indoctrination. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #6

No it isn't.. rug Apr 2013 #7

Uh, that's what I said. Didn't you read it? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #8

Teaching to believe isn't indoctrination either. rug Apr 2013 #9

Teaching to believe IS indoctrination. It's EXACTLY that. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #10

So, do you consider civics class to be indoctrination? rug Apr 2013 #11

That is not an apt comparison. Religion teaches WHAT to think and believe. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #16

No it doesn't. rug Apr 2013 #18

FFS, rug. If we're to have a meaningful conversation, please stop inferring things that aren't there cleanhippie Apr 2013 #19

Is that what you tell your children? rug Apr 2013 #20

Pretty much. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #21

Then you're "indoctrinating" her in your values. rug Apr 2013 #22

Oh, bother. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #23

So, your claim is that religion lacks values. rug Apr 2013 #24

Done. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #25

Ok, nice try. rug Apr 2013 #26

Wish I could say the same. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #27

"Teaching to believe isn't indoctrination either." Ron Obvious Apr 2013 #12

Do you indoctrinate your children in patriotism? rug Apr 2013 #13

I don't... Ron Obvious Apr 2013 #14

We probably are. rug Apr 2013 #15

We're in full agreement there. n/t Ron Obvious Apr 2013 #17

That's like saying gcomeau Apr 2013 #31

And the word itself is neutral. rug Apr 2013 #33

If you think so, then why did you try to redefine it? -eom gcomeau Apr 2013 #34

Mainly because it's being used as a synonym for "brainwash". rug Apr 2013 #35

It *is* a synonym for brainwash. Literally. -eom gcomeau Apr 2013 #36

Not according to synonym.com rug Apr 2013 #37

Oh? gcomeau Apr 2013 #38

If he - or you - want to say they're brainwashed, why don't you just say so? rug Apr 2013 #39

You get what two words being synonyms means right? gcomeau Apr 2013 #40

Of course I do. Do you get what broad brush means? rug Apr 2013 #41

No gcomeau Apr 2013 #42

The nuance of words eludes you. rug Apr 2013 #43

Sorry, I think you read my line in the script... -eom gcomeau Apr 2013 #44

I saw Pat Robertson said Carbon dating comes from the devil. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #28

Science is not the enemy of religion, but it does not support it at all. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #30

"Science is not the enemy of religion" gcomeau Apr 2013 #32

I have it in my library, but have not read it yet. Gore1FL Apr 2013 #45