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okasha

(11,573 posts)
15. Oi. Been there, done that, got several t-shirts.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jan 2013

I used to run into this fairly regularly in the Brit Lit survey course. I taught the Scottish Play for Billy Shakes because I'm permanently burned out on Hamlet, and invariably when I was doing the historical background--Henry VIII and his break with Rome, portions of the play meant to flatter the Protestant James VI/I, Lady M's wickedness as a reference to his Catholic mother, etc.--someone would pop up with "Catholics aren't Christian." The students making this "contribution" were always, no exceptions, young members of independent evangelical and usually fundamentalist congregations. They were convinced that Catholics pray to images, indulge in unspeakable practices in the confessional, and will be Left Behind when all the righteous are hoovered up to heaven at the second coming, which was scheduled for no later than the following Wednesday.

Whereupon the second half of the period would be devoted to explaining, with appropriate Biblical and other references, how Christianity developed after the destruction of the Jerusalem church leadership in CE 70, and how Catholicism Roman and Orthodox was the only Christianity before the Reformation. (Glancing mention of the Cathars and other exceptions.) It was such a frequent thing that I considered actually putting the discussion in my syllabus. Fortunately, and especially in evening classes, there were usually one or two older Catholic students who could help explain not only what Catholics do but why they do it. The kicker in all this was that there was I, a pagan, teaching remedial catechism to Christian kids.

I think what we've got here in the mega- and independent-church movement is a sort of Reformation of the Reformation. The leaders of such congregations have in many cases not only not done the M.Div. at a seminary, but have not had any kind of formal training in Bible, church or other history, or scriptural languages. Most of them come from either fundamentalist or Pentecostal traditions that use only the KJV, whose 17th. Century English they don't fully understand--or worse, the so-called "Living Bible"--and are riding their own particular doctrinal hobby-horses. And as you say, one of those poor nags is anti-Catholicism.

*Self deleted following post because it was an accidental duplicate.

Some extreme protestant evangelicals teach the catholic church is of satan CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #1
Saint Peter was the Antichrist? DetlefK Jan 2013 #2
I know, it is crazy. CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #3
Interesting - and odd. enlightenment Jan 2013 #6
Official Protestant doctrine: the Pope is the Anti-christ bananas Feb 2013 #36
Those Churches' current position is rather different. okasha Feb 2013 #37
Fascinating. enlightenment Feb 2013 #38
If the Pope is the Antichrist No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #39
Products Of Fundy Nut Religion TheMastersNemesis Jan 2013 #4
This is pretty much what I've gathered over the years, enlightenment Jan 2013 #7
College students? Alameda Jan 2013 #30
Yep. College students. enlightenment Feb 2013 #32
I used to say "Catholics were Christians before being Christian was 'cool'" SharonAnn Jan 2013 #5
Interesting method! enlightenment Jan 2013 #8
It's Not Just Modern Evangelicals On the Road Jan 2013 #9
Thank you - enlightenment Jan 2013 #11
Essentially, they are saying the Catholic Church apostasized many centuries ago. rug Jan 2013 #10
Thanks, rug. enlightenment Jan 2013 #12
This is one area where the Catholic Church has actually improved. white_wolf Jan 2013 #13
I remember hearing this as a child, but have not heard it in many years. cbayer Jan 2013 #14
Oi. Been there, done that, got several t-shirts. okasha Jan 2013 #15
You sound like a good friend of mine. enlightenment Jan 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author okasha Jan 2013 #16
You want to know how the "modern" denominations think? intaglio Jan 2013 #17
Jack Chick does not represent mainline protestants or "modern" denominations. cbayer Jan 2013 #19
I agree about Mainline but in relation to the OP intaglio Jan 2013 #20
As I said above, I heard this as a child (which is a long, long time ago, lol), but cbayer Jan 2013 #21
Anti-Catholicism is a popular enlightenment Jan 2013 #31
Yes, rug pointed me to some of those. enlightenment Jan 2013 #29
I'd ask "What do you think?", "Why?", "Define Christianity and Catholicism in your own terms." pinto Jan 2013 #18
Oh, I do ask why - enlightenment Jan 2013 #24
And thank you. It is interesting all around, even from this layman's pov. Kudos. pinto Feb 2013 #34
I first ran into this when I moved to the bible belt..... truegrit44 Jan 2013 #22
Now that is sad. enlightenment Jan 2013 #25
i have encountered this with a couple libertarianish friends.. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #23
I don't think you need to be a teacher to enlightenment Jan 2013 #26
P.o.p.e pkdu Jan 2013 #27
Michelle Bachmann belonged to such a church Freddie Feb 2013 #33
Eh. Ask what they mean by it. Igel Feb 2013 #35
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