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ZombieHorde

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27. Heaven's Gate was definately into mind control, but not in the way I think you

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:53 AM

Jan 2013

are using the term. The conformity had a purpose, similar to the conformity of Buddhist monks. The Heaven's Gate folks wanted to eschew their old human ways so that they could rise to the "next level."

They were trying to control their minds with the purpose of elevating themselves spiritually.

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All Religion is about only one simple concept: [View all] Flabbergasted Jan 2013 OP

Well I am not sure. I dont think I want to be "one". My brother in law is "one" and he is an rhett o rick Jan 2013 #1

Your buddha understands. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #2

Well maybe he can be the "one" devil. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #51

no handmade34 Jan 2013 #3

Buddhism and Taoism, and Sufism are about giving up control. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #6

So for example the Heavens Gate religion wasn't about catching a ride on an alien spaceship? Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #4

It was about mind control. Believing that an alien spaceship would come get them. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #7

Heaven's Gate was definately into mind control, but not in the way I think you ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #27

There are wise and there are fools. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #10

Which one are you? defacto7 Jan 2013 #14

Not fool enough to answer. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #20

Good answer! defacto7 Jan 2013 #24

Not fool enough to reply. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #18

By all accounts, the cult members were happy and blissful right up until deucemagnet Jan 2013 #52

Strawman. And there is more than adequate "evidence." Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #53

I'm intersted in hearing your evidence. deucemagnet Jan 2013 #54

There is always some nut around to misuse an idea. Science calls it Pseudocscience Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #55

Of course, you realize that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. deucemagnet Jan 2013 #56

When one person provides credibility, none wll be given.... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #59

I addressed this earlier in your other thread. deucemagnet Jan 2013 #63

This IS actually the central debate. I understand and accept the "evidence" because it coincides Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #65

Can't work with one. immoderate Jan 2013 #5

Oh, good. That confirms that I don't need religion and never will... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #8

The ego. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #11

Blessed Ignorance tama Jan 2013 #29

This is my comment as expressed by jonthebru Jan 2013 #9

nice. . . . annabanana Jan 2013 #76

Religion Is About Making People Stupid dballance Jan 2013 #12

The op is discussing the heart of all religion. The transcendent nature of living beyond your self. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #13

Are you enlightened? defacto7 Jan 2013 #15

I just was thinking about this tonight. I thought it was a neat thought. That's all. I'm not Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #19

Understood. defacto7 Jan 2013 #23

Really? I don't think so. marybourg Jan 2013 #16

I see the transcendance of ego at the center of religion. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #22

All religion is about pretending to know more than you have the ability to know, DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #17

Religion is about expressing what you can't know with your mind. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #21

This is a meaningless statement. Really, it is, mr blur Jan 2013 #34

There is nothing mystical about it. Our mind has a limited ability to "understand". It's a fact. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #41

And yet you know with your mind skepticscott Jan 2013 #38

"MY" mind is not the author. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #48

Koan at the center of the universe: message 18 Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #26

1.8 tama Jan 2013 #30

Thanks. You are a zen master. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #36

Dont mistake quantum spewing skepticscott Jan 2013 #39

.... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #40

I can definately see how you could come up with that interpreation. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #28

Hermeneutics and ethics of interpretation tama Jan 2013 #31

I think there is a big difference in translating the langauge a religion is written in and ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #33

Yes, Religion does mean different things to different people. Religion/spirituality can't Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #60

Not buying it Silent3 Jan 2013 #32

Not in the least. This is a very common idea. It is exemplifies in all religions in slightly Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #43

Oh, it's definitely a common idea, but that doesn't make it a good one... Silent3 Jan 2013 #57

If a group passes around an idea, ear to ear, silently, the owner may likely not recognize the . Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #58

Ooooh. Great Wise Sage impression. Silent3 Jan 2013 #61

No. I think the statement is self evident, my apologies. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #62

Ah, now the aloof but humble-sounding gambit. Silent3 Jan 2013 #64

Oh fuck: I can't win. The middle road will suit. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #66

Rise above the mocking, flabbergasted. It's a weapon of the weak. cbayer Jan 2013 #67

You mean like how you mock creationists? I guess that makes you weak? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #68

You've wielded that weapon well, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2013 #69

So Thomas Jefferson proved himself to be weak when he said... Silent3 Jan 2013 #70

Because you don't understand it does not make it unintelligible, cbayer Jan 2013 #71

Incredible. trotsky Jan 2013 #72

The opportunity to explain is always here Silent3 Jan 2013 #73

Thanks cbayer. I see it as misunderstanding. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #79

lol...no. Iggo Jan 2013 #35

So like That's My Opinion skepticscott Jan 2013 #37

I don't dismiss their beliefs, I dismiss their ignorance about their beliefs. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #42

Sheesh, could you be any more arrogant? skepticscott Jan 2013 #44

A lot of people within religion have a myopic worldview. They've never been Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #45

An "objective" view? skepticscott Jan 2013 #46

You cannot differentiate between an ultimate objectivity and an objectivity based on Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #47

Have fun in your bubble skepticscott Jan 2013 #49

You too! Have a super day my friend. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #50

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #74

Thanks, apparently someone decided skepticscott Jan 2013 #75

Oh, look, strawman. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #77

Straw-man? Where? nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #78

More info needed on how to "Be One". Evoman Jan 2013 #80