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cbayer

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3. Excellent piece and I would love to see this be the tone of this group
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jan 2013

instead of the snarky contest between teams that feel that need to win an argument which is, in the end, essentially unwinnable.

Recognizing that many who believe or don't believe in a god or gods think they are right is a good first step. Who doesn't want their POV to be the right one.

Condemning, attacking or ridiculing someone for their beliefs, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others, is not a democratic, liberal or progressive value, imo.

The religious right's intrusion into politics really poisoned the well and made it difficult for progressive religious people to be heard or even taken seriously. They need the support, or at least tolerance, of secular and non-believing groups to regain their foothold.

The longstanding fear of and discrimination towards non-believers is being challenged and cracked in some unprecedented ways. Groups representing them are critical in pushing back against the legislative intrusions of the religious right. They need the support, or at least tolerance, of the faith community.

And the recognition that the two groups share values and are stronger together than apart is where the real power is.

Anyway, I really enjoyed and appreciate your very thoughtful piece here. I hope many will read it and those that wish to engage in civil and constructive dialogue will stick around this group. Religion and the lack thereof aren't going away and will continue to be contentious, but powerful, forces.



Socrates tama Jan 2013 #1
Nicely said. Good luck. I suggest following the money. Festivito Jan 2013 #2
This so clearly takes place from both sides, imo, that I honestly can not tell which one you are cbayer Jan 2013 #4
It is not the religious right that has hold of DU -- at all. Festivito Jan 2013 #9
I could not agree with you more. cbayer Jan 2013 #11
Meth labs? trotsky Jan 2013 #5
Here's a DU link. It was in CO with paraphernalia for MO. Festivito Jan 2013 #7
No, it's YOU who has insinuated that somehow people who post here in this group... trotsky Jan 2013 #10
I always try to address the post, especially when being controversial. Festivito Jan 2013 #12
I think you are secretly ashamed of your behavior, as you should be. trotsky Jan 2013 #13
Maybe that's a describer describing the describer's self. Festivito Jan 2013 #14
I see you made your choice. trotsky Jan 2013 #15
I do wish you well. Festivito Jan 2013 #16
Excellent piece and I would love to see this be the tone of this group cbayer Jan 2013 #3
The tone of this group is not helped when people like your father... trotsky Jan 2013 #6
It has come to my attention that you referred to me directly. Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #19
That one (and a few of his buddies) okasha Jan 2013 #23
I'm glad you think it's a club activity. trotsky Jan 2013 #29
There has been absolutely no distortion. These are your EXACT WORDS. trotsky Jan 2013 #28
Hell, I was hoping to see "I am a Walrus". rug Jan 2013 #8
Thanks for posting this, eomer. It's appreciated. okasha Jan 2013 #17
Thank you for nudging me to, it was an interesting "assignment". eomer Jan 2013 #18
I'm glad you've found a comfortable place okasha Jan 2013 #30
Why not take the easy path? Tell us of a religion which teaches that it is wrong, or that people dimbear Jan 2013 #20
False dichotomy. okasha Jan 2013 #21
There are some that teach that the least among you will be the greatest later cbayer Jan 2013 #22
This is about the famous 3 universal truths. dimbear Jan 2013 #24
UU: a religion that teaches that it doesn't know and that its members are no better than anyone else eomer Jan 2013 #27
you are what you is, uriel1972 Jan 2013 #25
Thanks, eomer. I am UU too. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #26
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