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rug

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Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:32 AM Sep 2012

Eastern Germany: the most godless place on Earth [View all]

East German atheism can be seen as a form of continuing political and regional identification – and a taste of the future

Peter Thompson
guardian.co.uk
Saturday 22 September 2012 06.00 EDT

They are sending missionaries to eastern Germany. A recent study called Beliefs About God Across Time and Countries found that 52.1% of people asked whether they believed in God identified themselves as atheists. This compared with only 10.3% in western Germany. Indeed, the survey was unable to find a single person under the age of 28 in eastern Germany who believed in God. Obviously there are some – I think I may have even met some once – but the survey was unable to find them. On the face of it this is an extraordinary finding and it is something that needs some careful explanation.

Different reasons are adduced for the absence of religion in the east. The first one that is usually brought out is the fact that that area was run by the Communist party from 1945 to 1990 and that its explicit hostility to religion meant that it was largely stamped out. However, this is not entirely the case. In fact, after initial hostilities in the first years of the GDR, the SED came to a relatively comfortable accommodation with what was called the Church in Socialism. The churches in the GDR were given a high degree of autonomy by SED standards and indeed became the organisational focus of the dissident movement of the 1990s, which was to some extent led by Protestant pastors.

In addition to an accommodation with religion, the party also deliberately created alternative poles of integration for the population. Young people were brought up in a highly ideological atmosphere and were required to undergo a so-called Jugendweihe – a sort of atheist confirmation. Interestingly, this ceremony has survived the end of communism and many young people still voluntarily enter into it. Equally, especially under Eric Honecker in the 1970s and 80s, an attempt was made to create a sort of "GDR patriotism", in which figures from Prussian history such as Frederick the Great were put back on their plinths in East Berlin and integrated into the Communist narrative of the forward march of history. Martin Luther, Thomas Münzer and other figures from the Reformation were also recruited into the party.

Another factor is that religion in eastern Germany is also overwhelmingly Protestant, both historically and in contemporary terms. Of the 25% who do identify themselves as religious, 21% of them are Protestants. The other 4% is made up of a small number of Catholics as well as Muslims and adherents of other new evangelical groups, new-age sects or alternative religions. The Protestant church is in steep decline with twice as many people leaving it every year as joining.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/22/atheism-east-germany-godless-place

I never heard of Jugendweihe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugendweihe

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I hardly think East Germany is the MOST godless place on Earth TlalocW Sep 2012 #1
The whole universe is godless... AlbertCat Sep 2012 #2
He has spoken and He has not stuttered. cbayer Sep 2012 #3
The noises people hear when they have tinnitus aren't real. dimbear Sep 2012 #8
Of course they are real. Just because others can't hear it does not make it less real. cbayer Sep 2012 #9
Real in the same sense God is real. Not real in the sense a brass band is real. dimbear Sep 2012 #10
The Czechs might argue with that onager Sep 2012 #4
They were in the same poll; 39.9% said they didn't believe in God muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #5
I would love to visit Prague some time. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #19
East Germany is very economically disadvantaged vs. the rest of the country. dimbear Sep 2012 #6
I've never heard of Jugendweihe either. cbayer Sep 2012 #7
What 'forced atheism'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #11
Sounds forced to me: cbayer Sep 2012 #12
Except that 'sort of atheist' seems to mean 'secular' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #13
OK, won't call if forced, but ceremonies like this in communist countries cbayer Sep 2012 #14
I looked up Angela Merkel's father, since he was a pastor in the GDR muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #15
Interesting. cbayer Sep 2012 #16
Well, an authoritarian state like the GDR would note it on her record muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #17
One of the few good things to come out of Soviet domination. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #18
If you consider atheism by compulsion to be a good thing. rug Sep 2012 #20
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