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trotsky

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27. No one is saying religious groups can't engage in political action.

Wed May 22, 2019, 02:55 PM

May 2019

In short, the use of the Christian faith to justify political choices conflates Christianity with those choices. This is no more desirable, from a Christian viewpoint, if it’s Buttigieg or if it is Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), no matter the content of the policy prescriptions.

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Pete Buttigieg shouldn't lead the religious left. There shouldn't even be a religious left. [View all] trotsky May 2019 OP

Ya don't wanna mix the two zipplewrath May 2019 #1

Even from a more cynical place... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #2

What makes you think those of use who support Pete care about peeling votes away from evangelicals? leftofcool May 2019 #4

Composition fallacy. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #5

How you do know there are a significant number of people in that subset. marylandblue May 2019 #20

Pretty sure he thinks so Major Nikon May 2019 #33

Or.maybe he is a member of the religious left who likes to wear religion on his sleeve marylandblue May 2019 #38

Regardless he is using his religion as a political tool by his own admission Major Nikon May 2019 #41

Yes that's true, he is using religion as a tool. marylandblue May 2019 #43

There's your problem right there. Eko May 2019 #52

Because people don't trust atheists and Democrats don't trust people who are too religious. marylandblue May 2019 #58

The first part is for sure, Eko May 2019 #70

Well I think it depends on two factors marylandblue May 2019 #71

But don't you think politicians have a moral obligation to fight prejudice? Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #114

Yes politicians should fight prejudice, but they also have to get elected. marylandblue May 2019 #117

Guil? An argument against a religious left, is a very good argument against Guil Bretton Garcia May 2019 #35

I love Pete bashing threads so early in the morning leftofcool May 2019 #3

That's not the point of the article, but go ahead. n/t trotsky May 2019 #7

This is just the way we're going to do things here from now on. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #8

Indeed it does. trotsky May 2019 #10

Yes the bernie bros showed us that Fullduplexxx May 2019 #18

It was hardly a behavior relegated to Sanders fans. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #32

+1000 stonecutter357 May 2019 #9

Would you care to address the topic of the article? trotsky May 2019 #12

It seems to me radical noodle May 2019 #101

Is your answer to my question "yes," then? n/t trotsky May 2019 #103

No. radical noodle May 2019 #104

To be more clear radical noodle May 2019 #105

That's great, as long as you agree religious beliefs should not be the basis for policy. trotsky May 2019 #109

I can't say anything about "everyone" radical noodle May 2019 #110

Just remember True Dough May 2019 #76

Sectarian religious wars? safeinOhio May 2019 #6

dis·gust·ing OP! stonecutter357 May 2019 #11

Really. trotsky May 2019 #13

Please show where he's doing that. Scoopster May 2019 #14

Which is exactly what conservative Christians have been saying for years. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #15

Actually they've been saying the US is a Christian nation based on Biblical principles. marylandblue May 2019 #21

Not all of them are that dumb. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #25

I'd probably oppose such legislation unless there was a good secular reason too. marylandblue May 2019 #26

Barack Obama led by example True Dough May 2019 #77

Anecdotes are quaint. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #99

That's so profound! True Dough May 2019 #106

Not surprising. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #107

"use of the Christian faith to justify political choices conflates Christianity with those choices" trotsky May 2019 #16

You heard him no religious people allowed! Fullduplexxx May 2019 #17

That's not even close to what was said. trotsky May 2019 #19

The article draws on a subordinate Christian tradition, not the dominant one. marylandblue May 2019 #22

Is it preferable to base policy on religious beliefs? n/t trotsky May 2019 #23

Policies and politics are not the same. marylandblue May 2019 #24

No one is saying religious groups can't engage in political action. trotsky May 2019 #27

Yes that's what he says, but that's not what most Christians have historically believed. marylandblue May 2019 #28

Base your policies on religion, and they become unassailable. trotsky May 2019 #29

That's too vague and general a statement to really have an answer. marylandblue May 2019 #30

Getting upset is one thing. trotsky May 2019 #36

It's controversial because there has always been this tension in Christianity marylandblue May 2019 #39

Which makes such a thing as the "religious left" unnecessary, as the author states. trotsky May 2019 #40

No that's really your argument. marylandblue May 2019 #48

OK. trotsky May 2019 #49

I don't agree that the nature of religious belief is always the same. marylandblue May 2019 #60

Not all is dogmatic, trotsky May 2019 #62

I don't like the word "faith" because it is very vague. marylandblue May 2019 #63

Indeed it is, thus the problem with it. trotsky May 2019 #64

Dare I say you have more "faith" in humanity than I do? marylandblue May 2019 #65

There are bad systems of government, and not-as-bad systems of government. trotsky May 2019 #66

Yes, some systems are worse than others, but I'm losing my faith in democracy after Trump marylandblue May 2019 #67

The religious left became necessary radical noodle May 2019 #111

See this is the dangerous shit: trotsky May 2019 #115

I'm not sure what passage you're referring to radical noodle May 2019 #116

By declaring that YOU know what the true message of Jesus is, yeah, you're expressing certainty. trotsky May 2019 #119

You seem to be confusing me with someone else radical noodle May 2019 #122

Nope, not confused. trotsky May 2019 #123

You don't see anything wrong with religious groups engaging in political action? Really? Major Nikon May 2019 #34

I don't seen anything wrong with it precisely because it has been the case for thousands of years. marylandblue May 2019 #42

There's been plenty of examples where religion hasn't influenced politics Major Nikon May 2019 #44

This is all a relatively recent trend. marylandblue May 2019 #45

Policies should not be based on anyone's religion Lordquinton May 2019 #31

Right? trotsky May 2019 #37

It's typical in-group thinking. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #46

Or we are just conditioned to say it automatically, marylandblue May 2019 #47

Why say anything? Voltaire2 May 2019 #50

That's a really silly analogy. nt marylandblue May 2019 #59

It doesn't matter; he's Episcopalian. ;-) nt Ilsa May 2019 #51

Agree with you completely trotsky Docreed2003 May 2019 #53

The wall between religion and government needs to be high The Genealogist May 2019 #54

Obama showed it can be done True Dough May 2019 #78

Obama got nowhere with his religiosity Voltaire2 May 2019 #83

He was unfortunately linked to a rogue pastor, yes True Dough May 2019 #85

It was his pastor at his church. Voltaire2 May 2019 #87

That's just glib. It wasn't "his" church True Dough May 2019 #88

I'm sorry you are uncomfortable with the facts. Voltaire2 May 2019 #89

Still obtuse True Dough May 2019 #90

My point was that Obama's religiosity Voltaire2 May 2019 #91

"And yes of course he should have stood up for Wright." True Dough May 2019 #92

Obama's goal was to win, and he won. marylandblue May 2019 #93

I didn't bring up Obama. Voltaire2 May 2019 #94

Anything can be weaponized. Point is, he won. marylandblue May 2019 #96

Church membership has taken a dive in the last 20 years njhoneybadger May 2019 #55

Tell that to religious progressives. guillaumeb May 2019 #56

Like you, Guil? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #57

There are religious progressives. guillaumeb May 2019 #68

I don't want to live in a theocracy. trotsky May 2019 #61

And I do not wish to live in a Chinese style, non-theistic, dictatorship. guillaumeb May 2019 #69

"Dictatorship of the Proletariat " or the people? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #72

Any dictatorship is, in the end, guillaumeb May 2019 #74

We couldn't go a discussion without dragging China into it Lordquinton May 2019 #75

Democratic rule: by The People, for the People Bretton Garcia May 2019 #82

Nah. Blanquist vanguard parties are the Voltaire2 May 2019 #84

Eric Prince currently in China ... Bretton Garcia May 2019 #86

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky May 2019 #97

My Pastor shakes his head at me because I give to the Freedom from Religion Foundatioin JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #73

Your pastor doesn't support the principle of Separation of Church and State? nt. Mariana May 2019 #79

Actually he does but not an activist about it! N/t. JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #80

What a shame. Mariana May 2019 #81

Is God becoming non-partisan? Cartoonist May 2019 #95

Entanglement between religion and government is never good. MineralMan May 2019 #98

Many of them talk about religion and other things that aren't related to their plans. marylandblue May 2019 #100

This is laughable left-of-center2012 May 2019 #102

The state has no legal justification to engage in procon May 2019 #108

Some prefer to think that religion has no place in the Government. guillaumeb May 2019 #112

Nonsense. Believers do that all the time. procon May 2019 #113

If you are mixing religion and Government as a citizen of the US of A... NeoGreen May 2019 #118

Really? I guess we'll have to shut down the DU Religion Group then. marylandblue May 2019 #120

Good catch, allow me to rephrase my comment... NeoGreen May 2019 #121