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guillaumeb

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98. So you make a claim,

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #93)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:32 PM

Jul 2018

and then appear to retract it while saying that I can walk it back?

One of us is definitely confused.

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Rumi and the Vision of the Qur'an [View all] guillaumeb Jul 2018 OP

Meanwhile others who read the same book have their own vision Major Nikon Jul 2018 #1

And so it is with all scriptures and all religions. MineralMan Jul 2018 #3

That's how theists view the world around them. MineralMan Jul 2018 #2

This part is rich edhopper Jul 2018 #4

Or.............. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #6

What about the free will of people who don't want to be murdered in a religious dispute? trotsky Jul 2018 #7

You seem confused about the concept of free will. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #12

I'm not "confused" about anything. Typical personal attack from you. trotsky Jul 2018 #13

You still seem confused about the concept. eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #14

And you can still only engage in personal attacks. trotsky Jul 2018 #16

So your constant invocation of my "humiliation" guillaumeb Jul 2018 #18

It is not a personal attack to reference threads where your own quoted text contradicted your claim, trotsky Jul 2018 #20

You demonstrate and reveal much about yourself. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #22

Uh-huh. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #70

As I have told you repeatedly... trotsky Jul 2018 #71

That's why free will is a terrible form of theodicy marylandblue Jul 2018 #15

Free will does not imply guillaumeb Jul 2018 #17

What does it imply then? marylandblue Jul 2018 #19

The freedom to choose to act. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #21

Then the second option in post 4 is correct nt marylandblue Jul 2018 #23

Current neurological research strongly suggests Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #43

Why does God make the edhopper Jul 2018 #24

What makes you feel that you have this insight into the mind of the Creator? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #26

What makes you feel that you edhopper Jul 2018 #29

Faith. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #31

So you know why God does things? edhopper Jul 2018 #32

I have faith, and base my opinion on that. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #33

reality edhopper Jul 2018 #34

Reality, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #36

objective edhopper Jul 2018 #38

But can any of us determine what that objective reality is? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #46

Yes, for the last 300 years or so we've managed Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #51

It does not require mind reading the Creator marylandblue Jul 2018 #35

It requires projecting an opinion as to the motivation of the Creator, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #37

I believe Donald Trump is malevalent marylandblue Jul 2018 #39

I share that belief. eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #48

See, nothing to do with reading his mind marylandblue Jul 2018 #58

Only if one posits that the Creator and a human are equivalent. eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #60

I only posit that the Creator is conscious marylandblue Jul 2018 #61

But the nature of that consciousness is what is in question. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #62

We don't even understand the nature of our own consciousness marylandblue Jul 2018 #63

I cannot speculate on the form of the Creator's consciousness. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #66

Assumptions without supporting facts are MineralMan Jul 2018 #67

Odd. Earlier you speculated on the content. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #68

Assuming can be just another word for speculating marylandblue Jul 2018 #69

We don't need to understand the nature Mariana Jul 2018 #73

Or lack of behavior? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #80

Yet you speculate about it, except when you don't marylandblue Jul 2018 #82

I can only speculate. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #86

Then go ahead and speculate here, don't duck and say you can't marylandblue Jul 2018 #89

I do speculate, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #90

You seem to think everything is a matter of opinion except hard science marylandblue Jul 2018 #91

Anyone can speculate about motive and motivation, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #96

You're already speculating about your creator's existence. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #106

It should be obvious to everyone by now that gil's rules only apply when he wants them to. trotsky Jul 2018 #107

But nobody, it seems, can discuss observable behavior nt marylandblue Jul 2018 #113

But you have stated edhopper Jul 2018 #41

In g world only g gets to make shit up about Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #44

Free will precedes any actions by sentient beings. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #49

The evidence doesn't support that claim. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #56

Thus speaks the decider? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #59

Um no. But you are welcome to google Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #64

that isn't remotely true edhopper Jul 2018 #57

To be able to exercise free will. .. you have to be alive Bretton Garcia Jul 2018 #40

And if one were to be hit by lightning, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #47

Yes it does, for humans. By analytic philosophy. Bretton Garcia Jul 2018 #65

The free will of the perpetrators Mariana Jul 2018 #72

I guess that tells us a lot about where this creator's priorities lie. trotsky Jul 2018 #74

It's a ridiculous apologetic made even more ridiculous by its definition of "free will". Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #77

hogwash edhopper Jul 2018 #8

Like the Creator, I give my children vague, non-literal, and contradictory instructions marylandblue Jul 2018 #9

if you have any grandchildren edhopper Jul 2018 #10

I did give that direction, but I didn't mean it literally marylandblue Jul 2018 #11

Your unproven opinion Major Nikon Jul 2018 #25

How would you know what your gods believe? Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #42

Now you're telling us what your "Creator" believes? MineralMan Jul 2018 #45

Read what Ed hopper said, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #50

In which post #. I'm not going to search through this thread MineralMan Jul 2018 #78

This same entity that no human mind can begin to fathom Mariana Jul 2018 #75

Yes. Well, I suppose if you create your "Creator," you can give it MineralMan Jul 2018 #79

Saying their like a map or a code implies there's a proper interpretation Lordquinton Jul 2018 #28

"Meadows of divine Beauty", eh? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #5

My take on these books (spiritual) is they won't make sense unless read with one's whole being. gtar100 Jul 2018 #27

My oldest daughter introduced me to Rumi. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #30

How could I miss a Rumi thread? Anon-C Jul 2018 #52

You found it. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #54

... Anon-C Jul 2018 #76

Sometimes the prison is the human mind, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #81

Whose mind is locked in that way? MineralMan Jul 2018 #83

Would you recognize your own blindness? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #87

Yes. And during my life, I have. MineralMan Jul 2018 #92

But what if you were blind to a negative aspect of your behavior? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #97

Indeed. Ask yourself that while looking at a mirror. MineralMan Jul 2018 #108

Follow your own advice. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #109

You do not know me. You just think you do. MineralMan Jul 2018 #110

Do you know yourself? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #111

Why, yes, I do. Quite well, in fact. MineralMan Jul 2018 #112

So atheists are really the ones with closed minds Major Nikon Jul 2018 #84

I did not say that, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #88

I didn't say you said that Major Nikon Jul 2018 #93

So you make a claim, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #98

Exactly the predicted response Major Nikon Jul 2018 #100

Yes, I pointed out your inconsistency, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #101

Please continue, soon there won't be a dry eye in the house Major Nikon Jul 2018 #102

You demonstrate your ability very well. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #103

Go on, I know you have more canned responses in you Major Nikon Jul 2018 #104

I doubt very much that you understand very much. MineralMan Jul 2018 #94

Is this self-analysis on your part, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #114

It is simply a statement. MineralMan Jul 2018 #115

I shall choose option 3, which is "both". eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #116

OK. Choose whatever you wish. I don't care. MineralMan Jul 2018 #119

This is mere speculation and I thought we weren't doing that marylandblue Jul 2018 #85

OK, here goes. tomp Jul 2018 #53

Thank you for your response. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #55

Finding comforting order in nature seems halfway to science Bretton Garcia Jul 2018 #95

There is order and disorder in nature. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #99

Whirling dance for Rumi with love. lunasun Jul 2018 #105

Thank you. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #117

His poetry, music and dance all intertwined it isn't just words lunasun Jul 2018 #118