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heaven05

(18,124 posts)
37. I was a member
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 06:29 PM
Apr 2018

of the SB religion. When I went, black people were encouraged to sit among each other. They did. This was the 80's. I had a white girlfriend and we sat in any section we pleased. One night after the Wednesday night service preacher asked us into his office. He looked at both of us and then said a lot of the white parishoners were disturbed by our relationship and could we at least sit apart during our visit to his church. I assume I was to go the black christian section and her wherever. It never really dawned on me that black parishoners were segregated because I sat where I wanted to and told him I did not see what difference it made where I sat if I believed in the same triune god he did and if people were disturbed by our interracial relationship, that was their problem. He got angry and told me, 2inches from my face that this was his church and I had to do what he said if I was to remain a part of his church. Believe he came close to getting fucked up that night, and me to jail, but my friend pulled me out of the office and after that night, I never went back. He was right it was his church and the black people that let him and parishoners segregate and disrespect them, I don't to this day understand their reasoning for letting this Southern Baptist bastard disrespect them. But that was their problem. I NEVER let anyone disrespect me.

So maybe not everyone of them were racist, maybe only 99%. One white couple was nice to us, but they excused his behavior as that's the way it was. He was preach and he was not wrong. Black Southern Baptists are seen as christians but different christians. Black christians had the mark of Cain on them, so they were fucked from birth. I studied a long time after my friend and I quit that church because of their disrespect. So your sarcasm IS NOTED and I laugh at answers like yours and YES, I say it is still one of the most hateful and racist denominations in ameriKKKa.. This incident struck deep into my heart and I really studied racism in ameriKKKan religion for the next 20 years and yes white Southern Baptists are some of the most racist, in theology and action. You have a good one

Oh my THIS one, I am gonna LOVE this one! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
What religion or community didn't support slavery janterry Apr 2018 #2
This +1 bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #3
It's the same question, actually. MineralMan Apr 2018 #4
Because the Bible has at least two kinds of slavery. Igel Apr 2018 #38
Those justifications were argued quite passionately by Southern pastors Major Nikon Apr 2018 #44
And also fought against it. SQUEE Apr 2018 #113
You'd think that while Jesus allegedly walked the earth... trotsky Apr 2018 #5
Yes, you'd think so. MineralMan Apr 2018 #18
Crazy that an all-powerful god would rely on such an important message... trotsky Apr 2018 #22
Yeah, well, see... MineralMan Apr 2018 #23
Well, see, I don't think any such thing happened, actually. MineralMan Apr 2018 #189
The Gospels were written after year 100, but the Copts already established Christianity Kolesar Apr 2018 #187
You keep forgetting the mysterious ways clause Major Nikon Apr 2018 #45
Religion - not just Christianity, btw - is often used as a justification The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #6
Yes, indeed. I'm discussing Christianity, because it is MineralMan Apr 2018 #10
Christianity has never been a monolith. It probably has more splinter factions/denominations hlthe2b Apr 2018 #7
You are correct. There is no uniform Christianity. MineralMan Apr 2018 #14
Many of the leaders in the abolition movement MichMary Apr 2018 #8
Yes, and many supporters of slavery were Christian, as well. MineralMan Apr 2018 #11
True Christians MichMary Apr 2018 #13
So, apparently, a Christian can support slavery and feel no guilt. MineralMan Apr 2018 #15
Yeah, pretty much MichMary Apr 2018 #17
And yet, that label is worn proudly by many. MineralMan Apr 2018 #19
You asked the question MichMary Apr 2018 #24
It seems to mean something very different to each Christian, too. nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #21
Certainly true n/t MichMary Apr 2018 #25
JW say no true christian can vote let alone be involved in politics, and I bet they Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #53
There's scripture to back up just about any stance Mariana Apr 2018 #62
Vague? One could conclude their basing it off of the very basics of what it is to follow Jesus Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #75
I think they're vague. Mariana Apr 2018 #124
Don't forget the great evangelizer's advice in Ephesians 6: 5 ... malchickiwick Apr 2018 #9
Yes. Paul had no problem with slavery. MineralMan Apr 2018 #12
Who cares what Jesus or Paul thought since as you point out there is no way of really knowing, Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #55
Some claim to believe the scriptures, as written. MineralMan Apr 2018 #59
So you actually know Christians today who support slavery? ollie10 Apr 2018 #127
Oh hell yes, if they could make it legal there are plenty of them in this country and they all Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #140
Do you have any documentation to support your claim that.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #142
Mountains of evidence christians have used their religion to justify slavery since the beginning Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #144
As I pointed out.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #145
Virtually all Christian churches have specifically condemned slavery. Mariana Apr 2018 #150
As I pointed out yesterday I am no longer responding to you. ollie10 Apr 2018 #152
Maybe some other Christian will answer it. Mariana Apr 2018 #154
As I said before ollie10 Apr 2018 #155
As you like. Mariana Apr 2018 #156
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #158
But you just did respond to her. MineralMan Apr 2018 #157
No, my response was "no comment" ollie10 Apr 2018 #159
Your personal issues are just that. Mariana Apr 2018 #161
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #162
The ignore function works very well, you know. Mariana Apr 2018 #164
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #165
While virtually all Christian churches specifically condemn slavery today Mariana Apr 2018 #166
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #167
Stalking, by the way, Mariana Apr 2018 #168
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #169
That's cool, Ollie. You keep right on exemplifying Christianity. Mariana Apr 2018 #170
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #171
Also from Peter the Apostle, and directly relevant to the OP: Mariana Apr 2018 #172
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #173
No comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #179
LOL! You felt the need to not comment on that post twice? Mariana Apr 2018 #181
no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #182
"If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, Mariana Apr 2018 #185
If you have no comment, just MineralMan Apr 2018 #176
No comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #178
I see what you did there. marylandblue Apr 2018 #174
It think it was done righteously. Mariana Apr 2018 #175
Yes. marylandblue Apr 2018 #177
I already know the answer, of course. Everyone does. Mariana Apr 2018 #160
Or any other of mankind's control schemes for that matter. SQUEE Apr 2018 #188
Dr. King is often used asan example of religion doing good Lordquinton Apr 2018 #16
Racial equality was Dr. King's mission. MineralMan Apr 2018 #20
Money... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #26
Might have something to do with the omnibenevolent man-god totally failing to address the issue. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #27
Yeah but... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #28
Not just slavery, but contracted servitude where Ilsa Apr 2018 #29
Slavery, or support of the institution, is why we have a Southern Baptist Convention today Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #30
Nowadays the Southern Baptists are very involved in right wing politics. LuvNewcastle Apr 2018 #73
Molasses to Rum to Slaves elleng Apr 2018 #31
I have been to church for decades. ollie10 Apr 2018 #32
39 out of 80. Nearly 50%. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #33
What's it to you? MineralMan Apr 2018 #36
Rude? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #39
Theists have simplistic beliefs and behave childishly? Mariana Apr 2018 #42
Guilty conscience? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #46
One could conclude a goat is being got Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #56
A Caprine Caper, Eh? MineralMan Apr 2018 #58
Southern Baptist heaven05 Apr 2018 #34
each and every one of them? ollie10 Apr 2018 #35
I was a member heaven05 Apr 2018 #37
They will let any ignoramus be a SB preacher. lpbk2713 Apr 2018 #43
What a sad, ugly story. That you were treated that way speaks MineralMan Apr 2018 #49
I was surprised, shocked, angry and very disturbed heaven05 Apr 2018 #52
I can only imagine. MineralMan Apr 2018 #57
true heaven05 Apr 2018 #60
An enormous straw construction. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #40
Your post is an excellent example Major Nikon Apr 2018 #47
The 11th Commandment is also much observed. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #65
So you are just assuming all since you feel so persecuted Major Nikon Apr 2018 #66
I do not feel persecuted. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #67
Then why do you whine incessantly about it? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #68
I am observing, and asking for comments. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #69
If I were to guess... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #70
I am drawing tentative conclusions. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #71
My own observation is you seem immune to new information Major Nikon Apr 2018 #72
Interesting that you should say that. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #74
I suspect your observation lens is distorted by victimism Major Nikon Apr 2018 #89
I suspect the same of others here. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121
Sure, that would be the imaginary 12th commandment Major Nikon Apr 2018 #123
What method have you used... tonedevil Apr 2018 #122
It seems to be an entirely subjective decision on his part Mariana Apr 2018 #125
The reason Southern Baptist is even a thing is over slavery Major Nikon Apr 2018 #48
while I did find heaven05 Apr 2018 #51
They have been on the wrong side of history for over 100 years Major Nikon Apr 2018 #54
The Bible clearly supports slavery. Mariana Apr 2018 #41
Yes, it did, and does still. The words remain in scripture. MineralMan Apr 2018 #50
So how many Christians do you know who own slaves? ollie10 Apr 2018 #77
I know none, of course. Slavery is illegal. MineralMan Apr 2018 #78
Thank God! ollie10 Apr 2018 #79
You need to get out more Cartoonist Apr 2018 #134
So you say there is slavery in CA? I thought it was a liberal state. ollie10 Apr 2018 #137
We are Cartoonist Apr 2018 #139
Christian churches have strongly come out against slavery.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #143
There is slavery everywhere. MineralMan Apr 2018 #147
yes. but that doesn't show the connection between supporting slavery and the christian church ollie10 Apr 2018 #148
My original post was stated in the past tense. MineralMan Apr 2018 #149
You have said that you are not interested in the teachings in biblical day.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #151
I know how things were in biblical days of the past. MineralMan Apr 2018 #153
Vanity, Greed, Malice and Avarice mentality when it comes to Money. "consumed in material measure" Civic Justice Apr 2018 #61
Because the people who invented Christianity wanted JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #63
Yeah...sure... MineralMan Apr 2018 #64
Because Christians never enslaved each other, only foreigners. DetlefK Apr 2018 #76
First, most of the slaves in the US were Christians owned by other Christians. Mariana Apr 2018 #82
Blog slacktivist at patheos has many posts about this bobbieinok Apr 2018 #80
I think it has more to do with the mindset than biblical quotes. Doodley Apr 2018 #81
Why did so many of our founding fathers, support, or at least HopeAgain Apr 2018 #83
That's a very good question, isn't it. MineralMan Apr 2018 #86
Institutional history can not be considered HopeAgain Apr 2018 #91
Slavery has always been wrong. MineralMan Apr 2018 #95
Yes, with your modern outlook, there's no question. HopeAgain Apr 2018 #99
It is a purely ethical outlook. MineralMan Apr 2018 #101
But sometimes, stating that rule HopeAgain Apr 2018 #107
It's purely a theoretical and philosophical thing. MineralMan Apr 2018 #110
And I believe that is your experience HopeAgain Apr 2018 #112
There was a fundamental shift between in morality between 1800 and 1900 marylandblue Apr 2018 #163
About the New Testament jes06c Apr 2018 #84
That may be true. MineralMan Apr 2018 #85
Are you familiar with the Q text? HopeAgain Apr 2018 #93
I am. It doesn't exist in any written form. MineralMan Apr 2018 #97
Pretty much all of archeology HopeAgain Apr 2018 #100
Not really. Much of it is supported by physical evidence, MineralMan Apr 2018 #104
See I'm not so much interested in it from the viewpoint HopeAgain Apr 2018 #105
Well, I'm not that interested in it at all, really. MineralMan Apr 2018 #109
And as you might guess HopeAgain Apr 2018 #111
"an early Christianity that was very inwardly focused and grounded in love, empathy and decency" trotsky Apr 2018 #120
do you have any moral flaws? ollie10 Apr 2018 #138
Yes I'm aware jes06c Apr 2018 #102
The end of the world was yesterday and still no Jesus Major Nikon Apr 2018 #94
Odd, that, eh? MineralMan Apr 2018 #96
Almost all organized religion operates on the principle of conveniently unverifiable promise Major Nikon Apr 2018 #92
Interesting theory ollie10 Apr 2018 #128
Slavery in Biblical times was different, I've been told catrose Apr 2018 #87
Different in that there were different regulations. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #88
The rules varied but yes it was very different Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #90
True! catrose Apr 2018 #103
Islamic Slavery was very different too Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #106
So this sub thread is basically arguing that Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #183
So it seems. Slavery is slavery. MineralMan Apr 2018 #184
Fredrick Douglass made it clear not all slavery was equally horrible Exultant Democracy May 2018 #190
An interesting effort to immunize a specious Voltaire2 May 2018 #191
Denying Fredrick Douglass agency and hard earned expertise is indefensible. Exultant Democracy May 2018 #192
This entire line is strawman rhetoric Major Nikon May 2018 #193
You must not have read their post before you read the first line of mine. Exultant Democracy May 2018 #194
Your list of logical fallacies is growing Major Nikon May 2018 #195
You should work on basic reading comprehension before Exultant Democracy May 2018 #196
For those who are keeping count, you just added two more Major Nikon May 2018 #197
You can post a link to wikipedia, what an accomplishment. Exultant Democracy May 2018 #198
You can post a quote from Douglas that supports Voltaire2 May 2018 #200
That sentence does not say Mariana May 2018 #199
Wrong TlalocW Apr 2018 #108
In reality, we don't actually know how people lived back then MineralMan Apr 2018 #116
Whoever told you that lied to you Mariana Apr 2018 #186
Why did christian slave owners develop the most systematically brutal and sadistic form of slavery Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #98
That's a question I'm unable to answer, but one I've asked, too. MineralMan Apr 2018 #114
Why are so many poc Christians? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #136
The same reason so many white people are Christians in the US. Mariana Apr 2018 #146
Might as well change "did" to "do." Christians still DO support it. Freelancer Apr 2018 #115
Well, economical slavery is somewhat different than chattel slavery. MineralMan Apr 2018 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2018 #118
As I said, it's a different discussion. MineralMan Apr 2018 #119
Money has been more important than Jesus to most Christians. no_hypocrisy Apr 2018 #126
I'm afraid you're right on that. MineralMan Apr 2018 #129
Then why do so many of them eagerly put what little they have in the collection plate? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #130
Prosperity Gospel. MineralMan Apr 2018 #131
I don't think that mentality is outside the mainstream. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #132
In some cases, Prosperity Gospel ministers need CONVICTIONS, MineralMan Apr 2018 #133
No argument there. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #135
Yes, there are victimizers and victims. MineralMan Apr 2018 #141
Beats me. My Christian ancestors opposed slavery, especially the kind they saw in the USA. raging moderate Apr 2018 #180
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