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guillaumeb

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1. The tenets of the Enlightenment in Europe arose from Christian thought.

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 10:07 PM

Jan 2018

A fact that is passed over in an ahistorical attempt to show the Enlightenment as a successor to Christian thought.

In the Maghreb and in the Middle East, of course, Islam was the basis of science and philosophy.

The reason that religion and politics are so intertwined is the same reason that religion and nationalism are intertwined. All are manifestations of tribalism and all are an essential part of the human experience. That which unites us also strengthens us.

Edited to add: even thought I disagree, the post is thought provoking.

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On religious vs. political divides [View all] marylandblue Jan 2018 OP

The tenets of the Enlightenment in Europe arose from Christian thought. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #1

Of course the Enlightenment in Europe rose from Christian thought marylandblue Jan 2018 #2

Glad to recommend. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #3

Breaking from the Pope is more of a Reformation thing marylandblue Jan 2018 #5

The Reformation was huge. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #6

It was more or less the end of more than 1000 years of intellectual stagnation. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #10

I think where the Enlightenment made the break marylandblue Jan 2018 #13

Indeed. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #15

"All are manifestations of tribalism and all are an essential part of the human experience" Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #8

Previously cited. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #16

Where? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #21

You forgot. trotsky Jan 2018 #22

Nice framing. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #26

Nice framing. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #32

Well when I so perfectly describe your hypocrisy, trotsky Jan 2018 #33

You describe only your own narrative. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #36

I will let you think that. trotsky Jan 2018 #38

Almost a royal answer. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #39

Yes, I am feeling generous today. trotsky Jan 2018 #42

Nice try. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #25

As in a nice attempt to get you to justify your unqualified assertions? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #31

Nice attempt at framing. trotsky Jan 2018 #34

Really? edhopper Jan 2018 #9

So did the dark ages. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #29

On the manifestation of tribalism thing marylandblue Jan 2018 #4

Tribalism is essential for a species that requires the group for survival. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #7

Tribalism invented deities and religions to preserve itself. MineralMan Jan 2018 #12

Tribalism is no longer necessary and it is not necessarily instinctual marylandblue Jan 2018 #14

Tribalism is one manifestation of society. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #17

So you agree that tribalism is not essential? marylandblue Jan 2018 #18

Society is essential. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #19

Just because tribalism has always been with us, doesn't mean it always will be marylandblue Jan 2018 #20

Tribalism is a manifestation of the group. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #27

You have made your definition of tribalism so broad marylandblue Jan 2018 #44

Tribalism is one manifestation of human unity. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #46

Please provide a definition of tribalism marylandblue Jan 2018 #47

The family is the smallest social unit. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #48

Fine, then circling back to religion marylandblue Jan 2018 #49

Religion is one example of a social unit. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #50

if people may form bona fide group identities without religion marylandblue Jan 2018 #51

I agree it is possible to imagine such a society. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #52

He didn't define it Lordquinton Jan 2018 #53

Your definition of "tribe" is "equivalent to a village"? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #55

Keep trying. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #57

Here: Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #59

If othering is so bad... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #23

I did not say good or bad. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #28

No, you observe what you *think* is apparent. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #30

Why did your creator make us that way? trotsky Jan 2018 #35

Why are humans interdependent? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #37

That is not what I asked. trotsky Jan 2018 #40

So we apparently agree that humans are social creatures. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #41

You believe in a creator. trotsky Jan 2018 #43

You are attempting to judge the Creator by your own incomplete guillaumeb Jan 2018 #45

No, I'm just asking a question. trotsky Jan 2018 #54

No, you were making a statement disguised as a question. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #56

#35. "Why did your creator make us that way?" That's a question. trotsky Jan 2018 #58

I'm glad you recognize belief in god as just another form of tribalism... trotsky Jan 2018 #24

And today, the religious right in this country is trying MineralMan Jan 2018 #11