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Joseph8th

(228 posts)
82. I'm just speaking from experience with bullies...
Sat May 5, 2012, 01:29 AM
May 2012

... and offering my opinion of the most effective means of dealing with them by manipulating their psychology, which is utterly primitive. It's so reptilian in its fear-response-reaction chain, that there's no room for dealing compassionately or courteous shaming, because, quite simply, it doesn't work. You may claim it works, but IMO what you type is complete BS for a simple reason:

Bullies have no shame.

It is important for progressives to understand the bully mindset, and to learn how to dis-empower them using minimal force or coercion. Minimal, yes -- but it always takes, minimally, forceful words to dis-empower a bully. The point of bullying, though, is that it is impervious to reason. There's no talking one's way out of being bullied, or shaming a shameless fuckwad.

I'm sorry, but liberals are considered wimps because they refuse to accept the reality that the only respect that bullies (read: the Far Right) have is that dude-bro sort of shallow frat-boy respect for the bigger asshole. When faced with actual an actual, real-life bully, it is perfectly acceptable to be the bigger, meaner, crueler, more cunning asshole. Bullies can kill, and everyone has the right to self-defense.

In Kung Fu, it's called showing mercy to your opponent. Don't play with them like a cat playing with its prey. Show the bully immediately that they are out of their league. It applies verbally as well as violently.

Logic need not apply. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #1
I like Dan Savage a lot and I don't think he "skewers" the bible here. cbayer Apr 2012 #2
Yes, rather like skepticscott Apr 2012 #7
Strawman alert! bongbong Apr 2012 #12
Me, lol! cbayer Apr 2012 #14
What's to quit? skepticscott Apr 2012 #16
Ahhh... oh yes. Poor victimized Christians and bullies... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #38
You might educate yourself a little skepticscott Apr 2012 #15
The students were wrong to walk out. Kalidurga Apr 2012 #3
Why were they wrong to walk out ? Leontius Apr 2012 #55
They were wrong because they... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #67
These are High School students exboyfil Apr 2012 #4
have you listened to high school students recently? or even elementary students? niyad Apr 2012 #6
So the anti-bully becomes a bully WolverineDG Apr 2012 #5
Not as proud as skepticscott Apr 2012 #8
Do you often leap to conclusions like this? WolverineDG Apr 2012 #19
You know, I wondered about that, too. I think pansy assed would be a slur here, but cbayer Apr 2012 #21
Justify it anyway you want WolverineDG Apr 2012 #22
I don't think I am trying to justify it. In fact, I criticized him for saying cbayer Apr 2012 #26
Intolerance of intolerance... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #39
What you type is complete BS but the fact so many believe it is Lionessa Apr 2012 #75
I'm just speaking from experience with bullies... Joseph8th May 2012 #82
And just where did I say skepticscott Apr 2012 #23
justify it any way you want WolverineDG Apr 2012 #27
I don't need to justify anything skepticscott Apr 2012 #30
Oh really?! Joseph8th Apr 2012 #40
Shame can be applied without bullying. Good campaign, stupid, stupid comment. Lionessa Apr 2012 #28
And how as this bullying skepticscott Apr 2012 #31
I'm sorry if you think bullying is only a face to face issue. Clearly you've never been. Lionessa Apr 2012 #33
Did I say that? skepticscott Apr 2012 #50
If you don't get it, then you don't get it. Lionessa Apr 2012 #71
Wow..amazing skepticscott Apr 2012 #72
Simple yes or no? Like I said, Lionessa Apr 2012 #76
Lame dodge, but exactly what I expected skepticscott Apr 2012 #77
If refusing to whittle down a complex situation to a yes/no answer seems lame to you, sbi. Lionessa Apr 2012 #81
That would have been a perfect statement and showed him to be the class act her really is. cbayer Apr 2012 #60
Ironic, ain't it. nt LARED Apr 2012 #9
She was famously proud of him during her life. dimbear Apr 2012 #17
I don't see Christians being more likely to commit suicide due to Dan Savage... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #18
But you're ok with him calling kids "pansy assed" WolverineDG Apr 2012 #20
No... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #41
No, of course not, he should have called them oversensitive, bigoted, assholes instead. Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #53
Would you feel the same if the speaker was a homophobe & called the students "pansy asses?" WolverineDG Apr 2012 #57
In that case, I would call the speaker a typical Christian. Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #66
Nice squirming WolverineDG Apr 2012 #78
Since when is making an accurate observation of the atrocious nature of the Bible bullying? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #79
So the anti-bully becomes a bully AlbertCat Apr 2012 #36
Oh, please. Sometimes people might react inappropriately toward bigoted Zorra Apr 2012 #37
Thank you!! Joseph8th Apr 2012 #42
HE DID NOT! He called their BEHAVIOUR pansy-assed. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #45
They appear to have already know who Savage is, and what he is about. Atman Apr 2012 #10
I agree. I think it was an organized protest against Savage. cbayer Apr 2012 #11
It never changes bongbong Apr 2012 #13
I would have walked emilyg Apr 2012 #24
Why would you have walked out with those students? skepticscott Apr 2012 #32
So you approve of emilyg Apr 2012 #35
Yes. nt Joseph8th Apr 2012 #43
I asked why skepticscott Apr 2012 #48
You do realize that the term "pansy asses" was used AFTER they walked out, right? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #58
She won't burn a cross on your lawn. She might roast a marsh-mellow, but she won't start the fire. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2012 #68
As would I ButterflyBlood Apr 2012 #46
As I read it... southpaw Apr 2012 #25
Good point, but definitely an iffy phrase, generally associated with bullying. Lionessa Apr 2012 #29
And as with most generalizations, there are exceptions, and this is one. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #59
Right... calling out the behaviour... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #44
He shouldn't have called them pansy assed. Even though they totally are. Big time. Evoman Apr 2012 #34
MSM journalists of tomorrow. Good god. n/t Smarmie Doofus Apr 2012 #52
And yet, if the situation were reversed WolverineDG Apr 2012 #56
Didn't I say he shouldn't have called them that? Evoman Apr 2012 #61
There's right and there's wrong. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #73
What makes Savage a dick here is that so many others involved in It Gets Better are Christians ButterflyBlood Apr 2012 #47
Why don't they "strike you" that way? skepticscott Apr 2012 #49
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a nice premise to go off ButterflyBlood Apr 2012 #62
Point me to posts on this thread skepticscott Apr 2012 #65
I heard a critique of a highly selective interpretation of a section of a Judeo-Christian document. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2012 #51
So he shouldn't criticize the Bible because Christians are oversensitive? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #54
I suspect most Christians supportive of It Gets Better agree with Dan. Zorra Apr 2012 #63
Well said, Zorra. cbayer Apr 2012 #64
he isnt attacking Christianity Enrique Apr 2012 #74
Even if he was, so what. It deserves to be attacked when it is wrong. n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #80
Part of what a wonderful privilege being a Christian is... oilpro2 Apr 2012 #69
What? Any person has those rights. cbayer Apr 2012 #70
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