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35. President Obama is right and ISIS is wrong.

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:57 PM

Nov 2016

Last edited Tue Nov 1, 2016, 07:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Not really.

When it comes to Islam, he has an opinion, just like everyone else.

All the soldiers of ISIL/ISIS think they're Islamic. Why won't you allow them to self-identify?

Name three things that ISIS has done to earn our respect.

Please be specific.

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'Islam no longer religion of peace' Muslim Charlie Hebdo journalist hits out at extremists [View all] trotsky Oct 2016 OP

Very brave lady. patsimp Oct 2016 #1

The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo practiced their own brand of racism and hate. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #2

Did anyone deserve to be killed for those cartoons? n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #3

Did anyone suggest that, besides you? rug Oct 2016 #5

Of course not. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #7

What does it prove about violent Islamists? trotsky Oct 2016 #9

What was said? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #10

You do realize it's not just one person, right? trotsky Oct 2016 #13

Your agenda is again showing. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #15

I hope he posts a quote without the author. rug Oct 2016 #16

My bet is Sam Harris. The tone is too moderate for Geller's type of hate. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #18

Again? Half the world's Muslims support death sentences for imaginary crimes Albertoo Oct 2016 #21

If the mere existence of the death penalty proves a predisposition for violence, guillaumeb Nov 2016 #36

Again, that same old confusion? A poor diversion from the quantification of Islam's violence Albertoo Nov 2016 #46

Atheistic countries... Russia... Lordquinton Nov 2016 #90

Yes, I had noted that Albertoo Nov 2016 #96

My evidence is the large number of people - Muslims, ex-Muslims, non-Muslims who report so. trotsky Nov 2016 #23

More innuendo? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #37

Would you care to actually discuss the issue... trotsky Nov 2016 #40

Your invitation to ride the endless carousel of accusation and selective verse mining guillaumeb Nov 2016 #41

"Selective verse mining" is what all believers - including yourself - do. trotsky Nov 2016 #49

Absolutely never not ever Dorian Gray Nov 2016 #22

What I object to is the immediate response whenever the Charlie Hebdo murders are mentioned... trotsky Nov 2016 #24

And who said this, that you might object to it? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #42

You did, in your very first post on this thread. trotsky Nov 2016 #50

What you said in post 24: guillaumeb Nov 2016 #67

Why did you immediately bring up that people were offended by the cartoons? Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #68

Refer back to # 50, read the entire thread, guillaumeb Nov 2016 #70

I fully understand what trotsky was saying before he spelled it out to you step by step Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #71

My response was: guillaumeb Nov 2016 #72

But I didn't say that it was your position. trotsky Nov 2016 #69

You're absolutely right.... Dorian Gray Nov 2016 #45

It is obvious you do not know Charlie Hebdo Albertoo Oct 2016 #20

I have read Charlie Hebdo many times. Not in translation. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #38

The fact you do not understand gallows humor does not prove anything about Charlie Hebdo Albertoo Nov 2016 #47

A "cultural imperialist" and a "north American campus PC lens" person? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #66

your answer #66 is a strange salad Albertoo Nov 2016 #92

"Je suis malade" is a well known song. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #101

I know the song, doesn't relate to our discussion Albertoo Nov 2016 #103

There is nothing neutral about your characterization of Muslims. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #104

My view is parfectly neutral, yours is not Albertoo Nov 2016 #105

Your view is filtered through the lens of your own beliefs. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #112

I try to believe as few things as possible, I'm an empiricist Albertoo Nov 2016 #123

A fan of empire? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #124

There are considerable examples of continental french being unable to understand canadian french AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #116

I sometimes have problems with "Southern" pronounciation. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #118

I don't speak any flavor of french. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #120

I had no idea about the Clinton incidents. Interesting and ironic. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #121

Seems like it's in their job description... AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #122

Albertoo did refer to this, but you don't seem to have picked it up muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #107

Thank you for the link. A very interesting article. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #114

But it was using a specific story from that month about Boko Haram holding girls/women muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #125

Nice points, and I agree that your first point about this one specific cartoon is correct. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #126

You do know that those cartoons were satirizing the racism of France, right? Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #30

Facts have no place on this topic, GM. You and I both know that by now. trotsky Nov 2016 #31

So using the images and memes of the far right is attacking the right? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #39

"Try explaining that to the rightists who love CH"??? Albertoo Nov 2016 #48

If we ask the people whose lives were affected by terrorism, trotsky Nov 2016 #51

There were RW idiots that loved them some Archie Bunker, too. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #54

Like this? rug Nov 2016 #43

Both of those are rough, for sure Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #55

"Rough"? A rather subtued adjective for rank anti-semitism. rug Nov 2016 #56

I presume it's the top one you're talking about, then muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #57

And a damn good parody it is. Couldn't even tell the difference. rug Nov 2016 #59

But it wasn't drawn by a CH artist, or published by them muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #61

No, it isn't. But there are dozens that were. rug Nov 2016 #62

So you tried to hijack the thread by posting something not from CH? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #63

Oh, get off your high horse, muriel. rug Nov 2016 #74

"hijack this story when it appeared over the weekend"? This is the first thread about it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #78

Oh, have you forgotten already, muriel? rug Nov 2016 #83

That's a story about the SPLC and Maajid Nawaz. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #84

I have a question for people of faith... Fix The Stupid Nov 2016 #73

Why don't you point out where that happened. rug Nov 2016 #75

And the 'Google gish' was to explain to you, and anyone else, who the artist was muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #64

Charlie Hebdo is still an anti-semitic rag. rug Nov 2016 #76

Your posts are just name calling. You can't ever admit when you're wrong. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #79

That is one of the more ludicrous things you've typed in here. rug Nov 2016 #81

Oooh, are you going to change your post Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #58

Change it of course. There are so many others to pick from. rug Nov 2016 #60

Are you familiar with the movie the first one is referring to? Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #65

Except the movie has no anti-semitic references. rug Nov 2016 #77

Yeah, but it does deal with classism Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #82

It's a play on words. The cartoonist is saying religions claim they are 'untouchable' muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #89

That must explain the large noses and hitleresque caricatures. rug Nov 2016 #95

Large noses are a typical feature of cartoons muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #98

In certain quarters. rug Nov 2016 #99

So, utterly different styles, then muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #100

Oh, yes, utterly different. rug Nov 2016 #102

I don't think religion is above mocking, or should get special protection muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #106

Who does? rug Nov 2016 #108

Again, the black woman is saying she is being treated like a slave muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #109

Ah, the same Gallican humor that reveres Jerry Lewis. rug Nov 2016 #110

That one is racist, yes muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #111

NYC_SKP is that you? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #113

I do not understand your reference. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #115

First person I noticed that liked to attack Hebdo with bullshit claims of racism AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #117

Thank you. I understand your reference. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #119

I always thought it was a stupid way to describe it exboyfil Oct 2016 #4

Seriously? Silly logic - and a divisive & inflammatory OP. jonno99 Oct 2016 #6

You'll have to direct your comments at the journalist who wrote it. trotsky Oct 2016 #8

It's truly great to see you being so open-minded. jonno99 Oct 2016 #11

So, no answer, but instead a personal attack. trotsky Oct 2016 #14

I join you in this praise. Tolerance is always to be encouraged. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #19

Then you're saying she's writing from a position of her grief and victimhood. procon Nov 2016 #87

“ISIL is not Islamic." - Barack Obama mwrguy Oct 2016 #12

Uh-oh...our President is about to get a lesson on internet memes. stone space Oct 2016 #17

Not really. trotsky Nov 2016 #25

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That's it. trotsky Nov 2016 #33

You are upset because I disagree with ISIS? Seriously? stone space Nov 2016 #34

Say hi to mr blur. rug Nov 2016 #44

President Obama is right and ISIS is wrong. stone space Nov 2016 #35

Local fallacy of hasty generalization no_hypocrisy Nov 2016 #26

And you've just committed a straw man fallacy. trotsky Nov 2016 #27

Damn, point taken. no_hypocrisy Nov 2016 #28

It's why this topic is so hard to discuss, yet so important. trotsky Nov 2016 #29

Pick a religion, henny religion - in the name of religion asiliveandbreathe Nov 2016 #80

On a run with the anti-Muslim threads today, yeah? nt procon Nov 2016 #85

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You keep using that phrase. Are you going to delete this thread too? nt procon Nov 2016 #88

There is no such thing as a religion of peace Lordquinton Nov 2016 #93

I have no sympathy with far-right murderous nutcases of any religion... LeftishBrit Nov 2016 #124

There is no religion of peace. Iggo Nov 2016 #125

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