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Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:36 PM Oct 2016

Replacing Religion With Something Else [View all]

October 16, 2016
Posted by Jack Vance

I have seen a few posts recently on social media written by atheists lamenting the lack of progress we've made in replacing religion with something else. Some have been at least moderately critical of other atheists for not working harder to develop an alternative to religion. For the record, I do not believe any of those I have seen posting about this were associated with Atheism+, so that does not seem to be the issue here. I'm curious to know what you think. Should we, as atheists, be working to develop some sort of replacement for religion (e.g., a replacement ideology, community-based institutions that provide some of the functions churches provide)?

The desire to replace religion with a secular alternative is nothing new. There have been atheists with this goal for some time, but there never seems to be enough of them with the same vision for what an alternative might look like to make much progress. From what I have been able to gather, most of those arguing that we need to replace religion with something else believe that atheism by itself is not an adequate replacement. I have to agree with them on that point. Atheism by itself is unlikely to ever be capable of filling the void some seem to experience without religion.

As I wrote back in 2011, I do not find myself particularly inclined to think that religion needs to be replaced with anything. At least, I'm not sure I see such a need. If someone has left religion behind and really wants an alternative sort of ideology, there is always humanism. Admittedly, finding a more concrete alternative to institutions like churches is more difficult. And even though I have little interest in something along these lines, I do recognize that there are others out there who would very much like secular alternatives to churches. Perhaps the task of attempting to establish secular alternatives to religion is one which some will inevitably undertake, whether you and I choose to support it or not.

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Logic and Reason. Dawson Leery Oct 2016 #1
You do realize logic and reason, alone, can lead to absurd results, don't you? rug Oct 2016 #2
Not nearly as absurd as rising from the dead, crackers into flesh, and global flood.... cleanhippie Oct 2016 #6
No, more absurd. rug Oct 2016 #7
So rising from the dead and crackers turning into flesh isn't an absurd idea? cleanhippie Oct 2016 #10
Of course it isn't. rug Oct 2016 #11
It hasn't ever been "debunked" Lordquinton Oct 2016 #14
Here, I'll fix your post: rug Oct 2016 #15
Nope, just underlining my point Lordquinton Oct 2016 #16
There's something under your point but it's not a line. rug Oct 2016 #17
I don't have a god, you do. Lordquinton Oct 2016 #24
If there is a god it objectively exists. If not, it doesn't. rug Oct 2016 #29
If a god exists, then it can be proven Lordquinton Oct 2016 #34
Design the experiment to prove or disprove it. rug Oct 2016 #35
If that's the case then neither can you Lordquinton Oct 2016 #39
I'm not claiming the proof of god is evidence. You are. rug Oct 2016 #42
You're claiming that your god exists Lordquinton Oct 2016 #44
You claim you reject the concept of god because there's no evidence. rug Oct 2016 #47
I dismiss your claim of a god because you refuse to back it up Lordquinton Oct 2016 #50
I dismiss you because you cannot even describe the evidence you demand. rug Oct 2016 #54
Oh, come on. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #53
That's a fine example of conflating theology with politics, along with nun-induced bitterness. rug Oct 2016 #55
Wow. Talk about rude. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #57
Cuz ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #52
You sound disappointed. rug Oct 2016 #56
First three letters were correct. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #58
Sure, basing things on facts and reason is old and tired! cleanhippie Oct 2016 #18
Ok, design the experiment to test for God. rug Oct 2016 #19
Define your god and I will. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #20
Define your evidence for something immaterial. rug Oct 2016 #21
So you want me to prove something that is irrelevant or spiritual and not physical? cleanhippie Oct 2016 #22
No, I want you to display a scintilla of intellectual integrity. rug Oct 2016 #23
Oh! Two traits of your god now. Lordquinton Oct 2016 #25
Logic. rug Oct 2016 #28
You need to fill in the blanks a little Lordquinton Oct 2016 #33
Nothing known about matter/energy indicates neither a beginning nor an end. rug Oct 2016 #36
Nothing known points to a god, but you shove it in there Lordquinton Oct 2016 #38
No, I'm saying you are incurious. rug Oct 2016 #43
Also incorrect Lordquinton Oct 2016 #45
The only one playing games here is you. rug Oct 2016 #46
I'm only, as usual, asking a question Lordquinton Oct 2016 #51
Your god does exist ............ in your mind and others however Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #26
That may or not be true. But mewling for physical evidence won't settle it. rug Oct 2016 #27
I did not ask for physical evidence. Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #30
So, define your evidence. rug Oct 2016 #31
You did not address all the points I presented Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #32
Start here. rug Oct 2016 #37
If I was interested in what someone else said I would read a book Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #40
That summarizes what I think about the consensus of the concept of God. rug Oct 2016 #41
It is still better to hear it in your words .......... takes out a lot of confusion Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #49
Two organizations that come to mind are Unitarian Universalists and the Sunday Nay Oct 2016 #3
I've never been to a UU service. rug Oct 2016 #8
In the UU church we belonged to for a long time, all traditions were honored and Nay Oct 2016 #9
The new UU church make up really depends on the location. Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #13
Meet the new boss Cartoonist Oct 2016 #4
That leaves a choice between anarchism and libertarianism. rug Oct 2016 #5
Religion and belief in God is a widespread phenomenon... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #12
I find it all very egotistical AlbertCat Oct 2016 #48
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