Religion

mr blur

(7,753 posts) Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:25 AM Mar 2016

It's fortunate for the people of Brussels that Islam is the 'Religion of Peace', [View all]

Otherwise there would be more than a mere 34 people dead in today's suicide bombing.

My heart goes out to these poor people. Perhaps an Islam apologist can explain to us why this has nothing to do with Faith?

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It's fortunate for the people of Brussels that Islam is the 'Religion of Peace', [View all] mr blur Mar 2016 OP

This only happened because Sam Harris is a racist Islamaphobe. cleanhippie Mar 2016 #1

i'm tired of people calling me a bigot because i'm stating reality. Was there any doubt MariaThinks Mar 2016 #15

oh please, the bombers wear regular Western civilian clothes. kwassa Mar 2016 #68

disgusting murderers. MariaThinks Mar 2016 #80

So that means the aren't radical Muslims? Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #133

you are missing my point ... kwassa Mar 2016 #154

i know, what was the point of the picture. nothing to see here? MariaThinks Mar 2016 #165

How 'bout keeping your bigotry to yourself? hueymahl Mar 2016 #2

Not using. Being used by. They are a small part of the billion yes, but driven by the same cause. whatthehey Mar 2016 #4

Just so I am completely clear hueymahl Mar 2016 #8

The "dark force" in Islam would be the passages in the Koran, and the hadiths... trotsky Mar 2016 #10

You say it yourself: it is this "taking seriously" that is the problem, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #183

If it weren't for religion skepticscott Mar 2016 #184

True. All religions. n/t Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #186

Not all of them. ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #228

Sure, although, Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #229

It's not mysterious at all. whatthehey Mar 2016 #14

very true. the fact that someone can be stoned to death for adultry or criticising a religion MariaThinks Mar 2016 #17

Religion is a human construct hueymahl Mar 2016 #18

So what should the standard be to call something a "religion of peace?" trotsky Mar 2016 #19

The whole "tiny minority" meme skepticscott Mar 2016 #21

Linking religious violence to mental illness is also an insult to the mentally ill, trotsky Mar 2016 #22

Well to be fair it is occasionally specifically true whatthehey Mar 2016 #25

"Suicide bombing" isn't the only skepticscott Mar 2016 #30

True enough; the overall favorability of terrorist groups is even more damning whatthehey Mar 2016 #33

Interesting footnote, Pakistan appears to have had about enough of that shit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #44

hueymahl said not the religiously violent but Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #178

Did he give odds on that? rug Mar 2016 #180

Who knows? I'll ask my cat. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #185

Yes it is, and an inherently lethal and vicious construct whatthehey Mar 2016 #24

The fatal flaw of your argument lhecker51 Mar 2016 #115

You say (all true) Muslims do, yet describe fundamentalists. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #188

I'll quote the entire OP that you think disparages an entire religion muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #125

Islamic culture and it's peoples and societies have, historically, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #182

So? What cultures haven't? skepticscott Mar 2016 #187

I see that in the USA many, actually, and many more potentially, in fact do. n/t Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #189

what a small part of a billion? there are over 20000 isis fighters in syria alone. is that a small MariaThinks Mar 2016 #16

Again to be fair small ratios of huge numbers are not insignificant whatthehey Mar 2016 #36

the numbers are not remotely that small MariaThinks Mar 2016 #42

Maybe so. Have no clue. Whatever the number is it is far too many whatthehey Mar 2016 #60

0.01% of 1.8 million Muslim is 180. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #191

And 0.02% is 360. Math is easy, but what number should we satrt seeking? whatthehey Mar 2016 #207

how many of the billion support stoning to death of gay people? MariaThinks Mar 2016 #167

As an excuse? Seriously? skepticscott Mar 2016 #9

If it makes you feel any better, christians make me nervous too. Timothy McVeigh, etc. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #43

Guy, please. ISIS is just following Allah's commands: Herman4747 Mar 2016 #55

very telling about the billions DustyJoe Mar 2016 #67

Not true. Imams do denounce these atrocities both when perpetrated in the west and Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #192

You have obviously not read the Quran and relative hadiths.... lhecker51 Mar 2016 #112

Note taken. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #193

Religious extremism is a blight on humanity Trajan Mar 2016 #129

what does the billion people thing mean? MariaThinks Mar 2016 #166

Unrec! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #3

Wow, that's a powerful argument. cleanhippie Mar 2016 #5

. Iggo Mar 2016 #11

Yes. A Christian would have dropped a nuke. Maybe two. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #6

And those damn, pesky Scientologists skepticscott Mar 2016 #7

but they haven't. MariaThinks Mar 2016 #13

Uh, are we forgetting Hiroshima and Nagasaki? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #20

In hindset there is very little debate that dropping "the bomb" was a bad decision. jonno99 Mar 2016 #23

so true. innocent people keep dying while these words are repeated MariaThinks Mar 2016 #12

Good Lord vdogg Mar 2016 #26

You mean Daesh, don't you? blm Mar 2016 #27

I need a shower. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #28

Mr Blur, I'll be happy to anwer the question you pose above. Nitram Mar 2016 #29

Actually you can skepticscott Mar 2016 #31

"violence against blasphemers and infidels" is not an Islamic monopoly. Nitram Mar 2016 #206

Religion is an idea. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #45

You say that the proportion of Christians that act on such precepts is smaller. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #194

A group I am involved in is actively combating that in court. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #208

Good. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #209

You make it painfully clear you have not read the Quran.... lhecker51 Mar 2016 #116

"Islam demands the overthrow and subjugation or conversion of ALL non believers." Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #196

The Judeo/Christian Bible has similar passages. Nitram Mar 2016 #219

I cannot believe the jury let this stand. DeadLetterOffice Mar 2016 #32

I can. trotsky Mar 2016 #38

And Islam, and Christianity, being abrahamic faiths, share some of those foundational violent AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #46

You got it. trotsky Mar 2016 #49

It's unnecessarily cruel at a time when cruelty... DeadLetterOffice Mar 2016 #99

Is it cruel to acknowledge reality? trotsky Mar 2016 #110

Do post the jury results skepticscott Mar 2016 #41

I'll post them. I was the person who alerted. noamnety Mar 2016 #79

It doesn't surprise me skepticscott Mar 2016 #90

Yes this guy does just that. Leontius Mar 2016 #172

Yes, damn him for being bigoted skepticscott Mar 2016 #179

You lead the way. Leontius Mar 2016 #198

You read the threads in here skepticscott Mar 2016 #200

I give each post it's properly deserved response. Leontius Mar 2016 #210

Share, won't you? bvf Mar 2016 #76

Would if I had 'em, but I wasn't the first alerter... DeadLetterOffice Mar 2016 #98

Thank you for promoting terrorist propaganda ... salinsky Mar 2016 #34

Sure, right skepticscott Mar 2016 #37

It is not the "West" that has imposed ignorance skepticscott Mar 2016 #39

That's funny, because education and modernity is corrosive to religion. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #47

Of course it is ... salinsky Mar 2016 #51

Bringing modernity and education has been viewed as hostility from the west. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #52

I'm not a fan of organized religion ... salinsky Mar 2016 #54

I don't think it's bigotry to acknowledge the reality that 'this shit is a problem' among a list of AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #57

Yeah, right skepticscott Mar 2016 #56

Except that Islamic State want the whole world to convert to Islam muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #126

"education and modernity" trotsky Mar 2016 #50

Yeah, well ignorance and barbarity are very effective tools with which to control the populace ... salinsky Mar 2016 #53

Leaders of Islam were engaging in that kind of behavior... trotsky Mar 2016 #59

Please stop conflating terrorism with Islam. Maedhros Mar 2016 #35

First he would have to START doing that skepticscott Mar 2016 #40

Please don't tell me what to do or what I know or should know - mr blur Mar 2016 #48

I pity you. procon Mar 2016 #58

You got this one, mr. blur? skepticscott Mar 2016 #61

Save your pity for the religious - they need it. mr blur Mar 2016 #85

I just react poorly to bigotry. Maedhros Mar 2016 #63

Like most others in here skepticscott Mar 2016 #65

In this case, the terrorism was Islamic. trotsky Mar 2016 #66

We don't call the KKK "Christian" ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #62

Does the god in the Christian Bible skepticscott Mar 2016 #64

No I'm not ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #71

The three mormons injured in the attack belong to a religion that until 1978, considered black peopl AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #74

I'm sorry - I must have missed last the event where Mormons set off a bomb? jonno99 Mar 2016 #78

Q: What is a prerequisite to bombing people? AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #81

"All the prerequisites were in place" - Please, the ONLY prerequisite that really matters is jonno99 Mar 2016 #83

That's pretty ignorant. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #84

Ok - you can't produce another religion that espouses "convert or die", so jonno99 Mar 2016 #87

I did not explicitly search, do you want me to? AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #88

No, the hautiness is from those who like to lump all religious-minded folk into jonno99 Mar 2016 #94

Christians in this country used to kill each other over which edition of the bible would be taught AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #95

Here is your fail: you're still arguing the exception rather than the rule. There jonno99 Mar 2016 #97

Historical ignornace. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #123

Yes, you've presented more arguments for the exception. jonno99 Mar 2016 #132

Did you forget what Christians Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #124

Did they command them to convert - or they'd be killed? nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #130

Um, in a lot of cases yes. Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #131

Again, argument for the exception. The problem you are describing is not systemic. nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #134

So you are honestly saying that the genocide of Native Americans Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #135

What "system" were these so-called Christians using to kill Native Americans? jonno99 Mar 2016 #136

Holy shit, you really have no idea at all. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #139

I don't even know what to say, really. Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #140

American ideas, true. But not Christian per se. Learn to differentiate. nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #143

No, they predate the European discovery of the Americas. Though they were certainly influential muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #156

Men are forever looking for a path to power. Unfortunately, religion is a perennial favorite...nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #158

No shit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #160

I don't know what to say to this, without garnering a hide. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #138

In many cases yes. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #137

Wow - if you truly think that Islam and Christianity are the same basic religion, there jonno99 Mar 2016 #141

Yeah, i'm the ignorant one. Ok. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #142

Your words...nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #144

Fuck me running. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #145

Did Theodosius and Charlemagne and the Spanish, etc. do this of their own jonno99 Mar 2016 #146

Are you a Christian, by chance? n/t Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #147

It's almost inconceivable that you would find a Christian on the DU "Religion" forum - jonno99 Mar 2016 #148

So, you believe that those who don't accept Jesus' sacrifice are bound for hell, right? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #150

Wow, excellent diversion tactics... jonno99 Mar 2016 #151

I understand why you don't want to answer. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #152

Well, what I understand is that you don't want to discuss the OP. jonno99 Mar 2016 #153

I am discussing the OP Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #155

Your Religion(TM) is no better than theirs. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #161

"Your Religion is no better than theirs" From what I can see you want this very much to be true. jonno99 Mar 2016 #162

So far your contribution has been 'give me examples' and you've been given examples. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #163

"you've been given examples" Well, not really. Halfway through this sub-thread I started asking jonno99 Mar 2016 #169

I pointed you to a papal bull. That's the religious text. muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #170

Am I disappointed in "men"? Yes (am I surprised? no). Your point begs the question: jonno99 Mar 2016 #171

A papal Bull is not a "religious text". Leontius Mar 2016 #174

Not a True Scotsman either, I guess. muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #177

So facts are now "diversion" . Leontius Mar 2016 #197

"twist the core beliefs" trotsky Mar 2016 #75

Nice try skepticscott Mar 2016 #77

Yeah, that'll work. procon Mar 2016 #72

I'm nothing if not self consistent ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #122

Sorry, Scott, you don't get to decide who is a "true" Christian. Nitram Mar 2016 #220

I'm not skepticscott Mar 2016 #223

then I must have misunderstood you. My apologies. Nitram Mar 2016 #224

You went to an awful lot of trouble skepticscott Mar 2016 #226

Or else you are just not very good at expressing yourself. Nitram Mar 2016 #227

Yes I do. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #73

Maybe *you* don't, but, like it or not, that's exactly bvf Mar 2016 #82

If anyone claims... rexcat Mar 2016 #114

What is clear is this bluestateguy Mar 2016 #69

Right you are. trotsky Mar 2016 #70

You know, you're right. I think I'll go to my friend Saleh Sbenaty's house cheapdate Mar 2016 #86

Talk about a silly straw man skepticscott Mar 2016 #92

Oh, I don't know... cheapdate Mar 2016 #93

You tell me skepticscott Mar 2016 #100

Oh Christ almighty. cheapdate Mar 2016 #105

So you basically agree with every point skepticscott Mar 2016 #107

Holy crap! The f%$king OP was a straw man! cheapdate Mar 2016 #111

The OP was sarcasm and hyperbole skepticscott Mar 2016 #118

Lol! cheapdate Mar 2016 #119

Or maybe not even then skepticscott Mar 2016 #120

How many you want? whatthehey Mar 2016 #149

Thanks for saving me the trouble! skepticscott Mar 2016 #175

Were you not around for the "religion had nothing to do with Charlie Hebdo" threads? truebrit71 Mar 2016 #173

No. Missed that. cheapdate Mar 2016 #181

So now you admit that plenty of people skepticscott Mar 2016 #190

What's more ridiculous, cheapdate Mar 2016 #195

And, exactly as predicted skepticscott Mar 2016 #201

An odd reply to someone who's just eaten your lunch. rug Mar 2016 #203

Oh please, he doesn't even understand the OP skepticscott Mar 2016 #213

The first to resort to smileys is the bluffer. rug Mar 2016 #215

Lol! Wrong. cheapdate Mar 2016 #205

Wrong, Scott. Nitram Mar 2016 #221

Bullshit skepticscott Mar 2016 #225

It is clearly central to the entire OP. Nitram Mar 2016 #222

I'm grateful the justice system doesn't rely heavily on anonymous internet message-board posts struggle4progress Mar 2016 #89

Yes, because if it did skepticscott Mar 2016 #91

Cheney is well-connected and, criminal or not, is in no danger of being prosecuted for anything struggle4progress Mar 2016 #108

Because it has to do with fanaticism, not faith kwassa Mar 2016 #96

And as we all know skepticscott Mar 2016 #103

no. kwassa Mar 2016 #113

Which is totally irrelevant to the point skepticscott Mar 2016 #117

That is not the point of the OP. kwassa Mar 2016 #121

Here you go: trotsky Mar 2016 #157

Luckily for the people of Iraq EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #101

If Islamic State represents all Muslims tazkcmo Mar 2016 #102

If the OP had said skepticscott Mar 2016 #104

You are correct. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #109

Islam has more fundamentalists hollowdweller Mar 2016 #106

That depends on how you define "Islam". DetlefK Mar 2016 #127

The fact that the majority of Muslims skepticscott Mar 2016 #176

What incredibly simplistic nonsense. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #128

Oh, do grow up. mr blur Mar 2016 #159

Your logic and reasoning ability amazes. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #168

Yes, I imagine that you're easily amazed. mr blur Mar 2016 #199

It's amusing how many people think "Ignore!" is an intellectual response. rug Mar 2016 #202

Agreed. Ignore and/or sarcasm are seen as substitutes for actual debate. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #211

people still say that with a straight face? MariaThinks Mar 2016 #164

a good analysis here Locrian Mar 2016 #204

Important and valuable information thanks for bringing it here. Leontius Mar 2016 #212

What utter twaddle skepticscott Mar 2016 #214

Well that didn't take long Leontius Mar 2016 #216

He's too busy ignoring imperialism, WW2, and the collapse of the European Empires rug Mar 2016 #217

I always found it amazing how well mules plowed with blinders on. Leontius Mar 2016 #218