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muriel_volestrangler

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1. The study that has the figures shows Americans do go more often than most large European countries
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:13 AM
Apr 2015

Here's Brenner's paper: http://www.unil.ch/files/live//sites/issrc/files/shared/8._Telechargement/Cours_MA_Chaves_2011/2011_Brenner.pdf

Marcotte sums that up as "In fact, we don’t go anymore than our Western European counterparts"; the Slate article she linked to said

Brenner found that the United States and Canada were outliers—not in religious attendance, but in overreporting religious attendance. Americans attended services about as often as Italians and Slovenians and slightly more than Brits and Germans. The significant difference between the two North American countries and other industrialized nations was the enormous gap between poll responses and time-use studies in those two countries.

But in the diaries that the paper says are the more reliable indicator, the most recent figures for church attendance 'nearly every week' are:
USA 2008: 23.9%
Italy 2003: 25.1%
Spain 2003: 15.5%
West Germany 2001-2: 13.4%
East Germany 2001-2: 5.8%
Netherlands 2005: 12.1%
Canada 2005: 10.2%
GB 2005: 9.0%
France 1998-9: 9.0%


So Slate's "slightly more than Brits and Germans" is, in reality, "twice as much, or more, than Brits and Germans". "About as much as the Italians" is reasonable (in 2003, the USA diary figure was also 25.1%). If you averaged the Western European countries, weighted for size, I think it'd be about 14%. Though it is true that Canada and the USA have the highest over-estimates in surveys compared to diaries.
The study that has the figures shows Americans do go more often than most large European countries muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #1
Comparison to EU countries may not really be relevant in this context. cbayer Apr 2015 #2
In other words, "I want to dismiss it as irrelevant skepticscott Apr 2015 #5
Cut cbayer some slack Cartoonist Apr 2015 #10
Cbayer is capable of answering for herself, yes? skepticscott Apr 2015 #11
My own 2 cents Cartoonist Apr 2015 #12
The writer of the article makes many, many claims skepticscott Apr 2015 #15
cbayer, my crony? Cartoonist Apr 2015 #16
Well, apparently not any more skepticscott Apr 2015 #17
What BS is she sputing? Cartoonist Apr 2015 #18
The article is full of bullshit skepticscott Apr 2015 #19
We must be reading a different article Cartoonist Apr 2015 #20
I see you're going to continue to dodge the points I've raised skepticscott Apr 2015 #21
When I'm out on Sundays, I often notice MineralMan Apr 2015 #3
It varies a great deal depending on location. cbayer Apr 2015 #4
Over time, I've observed a change. MineralMan Apr 2015 #6
Of course you can observe a change and I was not saying you can't. cbayer Apr 2015 #7
I'm not sure there are any data on this, okasha Apr 2015 #8
I agree. It's dangerous to make generalizations about these trends, as the cbayer Apr 2015 #9
Mexico is paradoxical, okasha Apr 2015 #13
Agree. Many here are cultural catholics. cbayer Apr 2015 #14
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