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In reply to the discussion: NYC Orthodox Jews negotiate over right to give babies herpes and brain damage, and kill them [View all]uppityperson
(115,724 posts)29. No. It means like with that pediatrician, hygiene is used to make sure disease isn't spread.
It means regulating those who do it so they do not have herpes. Someone without herpes will not spread herpes.
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NYC Orthodox Jews negotiate over right to give babies herpes and brain damage, and kill them [View all]
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
OP
The story reads they are trying to protect the infant's health, which seems a good thing
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#5
They could protect the babies' health by getting surgeons to do an operation
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#9
I agree, but the negotiations are not over the right to give herpes, brain damage, kill.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#12
It's surgery; the person should be qualified to do such minor surgery
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#23
They are "how to protect children's health", not how to continue to harm them.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#4
I've made it about having them performed by qualified people in regulated conditions
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#53
The basis for tighter regulation is the death, brain damage and STDs they've caused
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#67
Muriel, that risk is associated with this single practice, not with circumcisions
cbayer
Feb 2015
#68
Any pediatrician that's going to perform sugery better be trained in it
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#74
You 'suspect'. You have no idea. You are really in over your head with this.
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#87
Here is a clue: "I am having trouble finding specific information on this".
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#70
I would say that of any group that would intentionally risk a child's health
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#130
Actually the vast majority of HSV infections in newborns do come from the mother.
cbayer
Feb 2015
#36
I don't think anything I can do would make it more offensive than death, would it?
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#11
What's the most offensive aspect to you? If they could do this without giving
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#13
If mohels have passed appropriate state medical examinations, then that's fine
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#30
No. It means like with that pediatrician, hygiene is used to make sure disease isn't spread.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#29
They need to regulate who does it. If he doesn't have herpes, he can't pass it on. If he does, he
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#33
That is something that should be worked out with the public health people. It needs to be regulated
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#42
seriously? you think there is a way to make oral suctioning of a wound
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#39
Ever cut your finger and stick it in your mouth? I have and haven't gotten it infected.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#41
Seriously? You're a nurse, right? So am I. I *know* you had to have taken Microbiology at some point
Heddi
Feb 2015
#72
I guess you didn't read my other post.I'm playing devil's advocate here, not sinking to personal ins
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#77
There's no excuse to post that drivel. Not as "devil's advocate." Not as anything
Heddi
Feb 2015
#78
You can believe what you want and continue to insult. Calling me "criminally negligent" for posting
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#79
And again she tries to claim I said something I didn't say. At least you missed the insult this time
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#81
Aha, and there is the insult, accusation and CAPS!!!1111 All edited in and changed after I replied?
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#82
I never accused you of lying. You did edit post #80, the one I replied to in 82
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#91
Did you notice that was in reply to post 80, which you did edit? Are you denying you edited #80?
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#97
Nope. Look at post 82, which post it is in reply to. Notice, the edited post 80.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#104
"you lied about me editing a post which was never edited." Nope. I said you edited 80, this one
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#105
Now you are saying you agree, you did edit 80, the one I said you did and you called me a liar. OK
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#106
And, since you self deleted, here is what you wrote, "You are lying." in part
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#89
I deleted a screen cap of the non-edit history because the screen had personal info on it
Heddi
Feb 2015
#92
No. I did not say you edited that post. I misread criminal for clinical. You edited post 80, denied
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#93
Short version: "I read something wrong and lied about it being edited so I wouldn't look foolish"
Heddi
Feb 2015
#96
You mean like you continuing to call me a liar for saying you edited post 80, which you did"
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#98
I will give you one more chance to edit out "you are lying" about you editing post 80
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#99
You would already have it, in order to infect yourself with something.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#117
What about other diseases, I mean, herpes is the most obvious viral agent here, cold sores in...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#95
I do not know if that is possible, or how to go about it. I find the practice abhorent, and like
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#102
The point of the OP is clear - that any purely religious-belief-based ceremony that unnecessarily risks heath is obscene.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#52
If this were done to babies without religion as an excuse, those crying "offensive"...
Silent3
Feb 2015
#58
So those of you who support this for babies--it's okay if your surgeon licks your wounds, right?
Heddi
Feb 2015
#66
Its fucking insane, even when my Mom "kissed the boo boo" to make it better...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#71
The thing is that this goes WAY beyond just herpes, there are a lot of bacteria that can end up...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#75
For any DUers who think I am giving "expert medical advice" to go get this done, I am not.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#109
You claimed there was a way to make oral wound suction "less harmful".
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#119
While don't care for the headline I don't think they should be allowed to do in that fashion. n/t
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#112
Are you fucking kidding me? They need to end this stupid religious exemption of obvious health...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#126
Yeah I was shocked he went along with this but this is NYC politics at play.
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#127