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In reply to the discussion: NYC Orthodox Jews negotiate over right to give babies herpes and brain damage, and kill them [View all]cbayer
(146,218 posts)19. Right, but it's much more inflammatory to call Orthodox Jews baby killers.
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NYC Orthodox Jews negotiate over right to give babies herpes and brain damage, and kill them [View all]
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
OP
The story reads they are trying to protect the infant's health, which seems a good thing
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#5
They could protect the babies' health by getting surgeons to do an operation
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#9
I agree, but the negotiations are not over the right to give herpes, brain damage, kill.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#12
It's surgery; the person should be qualified to do such minor surgery
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#23
They are "how to protect children's health", not how to continue to harm them.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#4
I've made it about having them performed by qualified people in regulated conditions
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#53
The basis for tighter regulation is the death, brain damage and STDs they've caused
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#67
Muriel, that risk is associated with this single practice, not with circumcisions
cbayer
Feb 2015
#68
Any pediatrician that's going to perform sugery better be trained in it
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#74
You 'suspect'. You have no idea. You are really in over your head with this.
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#87
Here is a clue: "I am having trouble finding specific information on this".
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#70
I would say that of any group that would intentionally risk a child's health
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#130
Actually the vast majority of HSV infections in newborns do come from the mother.
cbayer
Feb 2015
#36
I don't think anything I can do would make it more offensive than death, would it?
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#11
What's the most offensive aspect to you? If they could do this without giving
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#13
If mohels have passed appropriate state medical examinations, then that's fine
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#30
No. It means like with that pediatrician, hygiene is used to make sure disease isn't spread.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#29
They need to regulate who does it. If he doesn't have herpes, he can't pass it on. If he does, he
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#33
That is something that should be worked out with the public health people. It needs to be regulated
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#42
seriously? you think there is a way to make oral suctioning of a wound
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#39
Ever cut your finger and stick it in your mouth? I have and haven't gotten it infected.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#41
Seriously? You're a nurse, right? So am I. I *know* you had to have taken Microbiology at some point
Heddi
Feb 2015
#72
I guess you didn't read my other post.I'm playing devil's advocate here, not sinking to personal ins
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#77
There's no excuse to post that drivel. Not as "devil's advocate." Not as anything
Heddi
Feb 2015
#78
You can believe what you want and continue to insult. Calling me "criminally negligent" for posting
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#79
And again she tries to claim I said something I didn't say. At least you missed the insult this time
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#81
Aha, and there is the insult, accusation and CAPS!!!1111 All edited in and changed after I replied?
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#82
I never accused you of lying. You did edit post #80, the one I replied to in 82
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#91
Did you notice that was in reply to post 80, which you did edit? Are you denying you edited #80?
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#97
Nope. Look at post 82, which post it is in reply to. Notice, the edited post 80.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#104
"you lied about me editing a post which was never edited." Nope. I said you edited 80, this one
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#105
Now you are saying you agree, you did edit 80, the one I said you did and you called me a liar. OK
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#106
And, since you self deleted, here is what you wrote, "You are lying." in part
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#89
I deleted a screen cap of the non-edit history because the screen had personal info on it
Heddi
Feb 2015
#92
No. I did not say you edited that post. I misread criminal for clinical. You edited post 80, denied
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#93
Short version: "I read something wrong and lied about it being edited so I wouldn't look foolish"
Heddi
Feb 2015
#96
You mean like you continuing to call me a liar for saying you edited post 80, which you did"
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#98
I will give you one more chance to edit out "you are lying" about you editing post 80
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#99
You would already have it, in order to infect yourself with something.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#117
What about other diseases, I mean, herpes is the most obvious viral agent here, cold sores in...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#95
I do not know if that is possible, or how to go about it. I find the practice abhorent, and like
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#102
The point of the OP is clear - that any purely religious-belief-based ceremony that unnecessarily risks heath is obscene.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#52
If this were done to babies without religion as an excuse, those crying "offensive"...
Silent3
Feb 2015
#58
So those of you who support this for babies--it's okay if your surgeon licks your wounds, right?
Heddi
Feb 2015
#66
Its fucking insane, even when my Mom "kissed the boo boo" to make it better...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#71
The thing is that this goes WAY beyond just herpes, there are a lot of bacteria that can end up...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#75
For any DUers who think I am giving "expert medical advice" to go get this done, I am not.
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#109
You claimed there was a way to make oral wound suction "less harmful".
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#119
While don't care for the headline I don't think they should be allowed to do in that fashion. n/t
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#112
Are you fucking kidding me? They need to end this stupid religious exemption of obvious health...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#126
Yeah I was shocked he went along with this but this is NYC politics at play.
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#127