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cbayer

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52. You are again telling me what I think and how I think people have to be.

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:15 PM

Jun 2014

You are wrong.

I do support believers and I do so with vigor at times, particularly when I think they are being only being attacked because they believe. I am also highly critical of believers who are bigots and try to force their personal beliefs on others.

There are some people who post here that I give no berth to, but it's not because they are atheists. It's because they are rabidly anti-theist. I think that's a divisive and destructive position.

But most of the atheists who I do have discussions with here, I have a great deal of respect for, even when we rather vehemently disagree on something. Very often, I completely embrace what they are saying and agree more often than not.

They don't make it personal. You make it personal and, even worse, feel you have the right to tell me what I think or feel.

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Meet an atheist ... who believes in God [View all] struggle4progress Jun 2014 OP

I'm not sure whether to vote for... TygrBright Jun 2014 #1

Can I vote more than once? okasha Jun 2014 #2

I agree with 9 of the 10. rug Jun 2014 #9

8.for me okasha Jun 2014 #11

Get back to me when my plane is going straight down at 300 mph randys1 Jun 2014 #3

You forgot, "mmmm that's tasty word salad" Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #4

Yep. I'd have voted for that option. DavidDvorkin Jun 2014 #37

The premise is self-contradictory. longship Jun 2014 #5

Those who convince themselves, that they have obtained a consistent struggle4progress Jun 2014 #17

Your point is well taken. longship Jun 2014 #19

I'm no expert, but it's my understanding that quantum field theory struggle4progress Jun 2014 #20

Yup! That's human cognitive dissonance in action. longship Jun 2014 #21

Only if you assume religious beliefs and physics have the same objectives struggle4progress Jun 2014 #22

Aha! NOMA. longship Jun 2014 #23

I think if you consider the matter carefully you may admit struggle4progress Jun 2014 #25

I am with you there. longship Jun 2014 #26

Physicists don't deal with people Lordquinton Jun 2014 #39

Physicists don't deal with people? Really? struggle4progress Jun 2014 #73

They're No True Physicists. okasha Jun 2014 #77

Oh hey, intentional obtuseness, how origonal Lordquinton Jun 2014 #81

Physics works just fine with people. trotsky Jun 2014 #90

LOL AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #94

This is not quantum theory or relativity LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #24

Yet it is entirely possible, without having a guaranteed consistent and accurate view of the world.. trotsky Jun 2014 #27

By definition your opinion sounds more agnostic, Mr Frank Schaeffer. T2- Jun 2014 #6

Author in the OP is ignorant of the actual meaning of 'agnostic', because "unknowing" is pretty much AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #7

Not to mention 'atheist'... -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #64

Schaeffer has misidentified himself. He's a Deist, not an atheist. Warpy Jun 2014 #8

“I know that the only thing that exists is this material universe,” and “I know that my redeemer liv Jim__ Jun 2014 #10

Why the fuck are you promoting this lying douchebag? He's a Christian, NOT an atheist. Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #12

LOL okasha Jun 2014 #13

Aye, lassie. rug Jun 2014 #14

From his current writings, okasha Jun 2014 #76

Thanks for the info. rug Jun 2014 #89

Atheism is a boolean true/false proposition. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #95

This is a guy who claims we live by his "spiritual" rules, regardless of our beliefs... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #16

Oh, please. okasha Jun 2014 #78

Every time my ass, prove it. Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #84

okasha, please quit this nonsense. trotsky Jun 2014 #91

Talk about a colossal misunderstanding of the NTS fallacy. trotsky Jun 2014 #28

Because he tells them what they want to hear MellowDem Jun 2014 #18

Lol! You win. cbayer Jun 2014 #32

Honestly, this man isn't ignorant, at least I don't think so, just dishonest... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #38

Well, you recently called me an anti-atheist bigot, which I am not. cbayer Jun 2014 #41

You claim you are not, everything your posts says otherwise... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #44

Everything I post? Do you read everything I post? cbayer Jun 2014 #45

Oh please, that's a double standard, if I ever heard one... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #46

Good grief. Calm down. okasha Jun 2014 #47

So basically you don't know science. you are a photographer, not an... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #50

Clean miss, on all points. okasha Jun 2014 #53

By the way, I'm a she, but you do appear to be the master of false assumptions. cbayer Jun 2014 #55

I'm just a bad atheist, living up to expectations, sorry I didn't know you were a she though. Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #57

Well, you may have done some reading but why would you then assume cbayer Jun 2014 #60

I have a problem when people pretend to know the answer instead of saying "I don't know"... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #61

I share that with you and prefer for people to say I don't know when they don't. cbayer Jun 2014 #62

I haven't seen "Her" yet, I do want to see it, my problem is I don't, in general, like romances... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #65

If you are interested in the potential evolution of AI, you might really like it. cbayer Jun 2014 #66

I think the reason we make assumptions about the basic building blocks of life is because... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #67

It seems that you're not okasha Jun 2014 #79

You are completely within your rights to criticize this writer and be offended by him. cbayer Jun 2014 #48

I call them bigots when they hold others to different standards based on nothing but whether they... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #49

You are again telling me what I think and how I think people have to be. cbayer Jun 2014 #52

I'm not talking about the people here, I"m talking about in general... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #54

Why do you insist on telling me what I would be doing? cbayer Jun 2014 #56

See, this is the big gap, I don't view being a militant anti-theist as a bad thing... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #71

cbayer does something similar skepticscott Jun 2014 #72

But telling us to STFU is one thing. trotsky Jun 2014 #74

Let's not forget promoting genocide skepticscott Jun 2014 #75

When someone says that you're biased against atheists Lordquinton Jun 2014 #82

It's not true, it's just your perception. cbayer Jun 2014 #92

What I find most fascinating is that... trotsky Jun 2014 #93

In fairness, by his standards I probably *don't* 'grieve properly'. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #70

Let me introduce you skepticscott Jun 2014 #15

A pregnant woman who isn't pregnant. Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #29

Amy Pond? n/t trotsky Jun 2014 #31

Well played. n/t Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #35

Objection! It was her doppleganger that was giving a false negative report... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #42

I think he does a good job of showing what a complex issue this is. cbayer Jun 2014 #30

cbayer, YOU are the one so intent on creating teams. trotsky Jun 2014 #33

Theism and atheism are about belief in the existence of a deity, there is no halfway point. Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #40

Disagree. I think there are grey areas and that some people cbayer Jun 2014 #43

Agnosticism IS the grey area. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #69

Bottom line - no one really KNOWS. No one. djean111 Jun 2014 #34

I tend to agree... a lot uriel1972 Jun 2014 #36

Agnostic = elleng Jun 2014 #51

And I think that's an absolutely acceptable definition. cbayer Jun 2014 #58

GOOD, cbayer! elleng Jun 2014 #59

Sorry, but that's a silly and unsupportable definition skepticscott Jun 2014 #68

More accurately, "meet someone who doesn't know what the word 'atheist' means." gcomeau Jun 2014 #63

And I'm a christian who doesn't believe in God. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #80

Atheist literally translates to without god Lordquinton Jun 2014 #83

Some people recognize their own inconsistencies and self-contradictions and struggle4progress Jun 2014 #85

There are inconsistencies and self contradictions and then there is being flat out wrong. LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #88

Chapter 9 struggle4progress Jun 2014 #86

For an atheist he sure does talk a lot about what Jesus did and didn't do. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author struggle4progress Jun 2014 #96

incredibly good to see you Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #98

Lonely. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #99

ITT LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #97

Excellent post. trotsky Jun 2014 #100

I prefer the term godless... Kalidurga Jun 2014 #101