Religion
In reply to the discussion: How Liberals Abandoned Religion to the Fundamentalist Right [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,319 posts)Last edited Mon May 12, 2014, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Bullshit.
To begin with, Religion did not act as the glue that held society together. It has always been the cudgel. It has been doing all in its power to tear us apart for centuries.
Have we forgotten what JFK had to go through to get elected simply because he was a Catholic? Or how about the wars between Catholics and Protestants? Christians and Muslims? The discrimination of against the Jews? Or how about the witch hunts that took place in Salem?
Sure its good for uniting people who happen to have the correct religious privilege, but THAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM! If you are part of the privileged class then it won't have any affect upon you. Everyone else's rights get obliterated. And inevitably, the elites among the privileged will try and have themselves put at the top and force their views on everyone else.
History is full of examples of this. The Christians of ancient Rome went from the minority to the majority and then used their seat of power to persecute the other religions. The Catholics persecuted the protestants when in power and the protestants persecuted the Catholics. Confucianists persecuting Buddhist and Buddhist persecuting Muslims. Its endless.
Secularism, is, has been, and will continue to be the solution to the divisiveness caused by religious intolerance. Real secularism, not the cartoonish character drawn by this article. Tolerance and secularism go hand in hand.
Why have some many of these believers silenced themselves if there are so many of them? Simple, because they too believe in secularism and understand its not right to force policy on others that they don't believe in. Rather, it is better to find non-religious reasons for running society that we, the people, can all support.
To try and talk about the role of religion in "liberal" tradition and to deny the role of secularism is misleading if not out right false. It was seeing how religion divided people that led the liberals of the colonial times to support secularism. Now the SCotUS has blown a huge hole in the wall of separation.
This article is nothing more than a gigantic strawman to promote the conservative position of legislating religion. Secularism does not keep people from discussing religion in all corner of the "public sphere," rather it restricts it from being promoted or enforced through law and legislation.
Ultimately, this article purpose is to argue for religious preference and if someone of the religious left wants that....then they are no better than the religious right and I will oppose them both. What the left needs to do is to show people why the ruling was bad and how it discriminates and get more "believers" to stop supporting fragrant violations of the first and fourteenth Amendment like this.