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LostOne4Ever

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18. Secularists have created their own form of intolerance?
Mon May 12, 2014, 06:07 AM
May 2014

Last edited Mon May 12, 2014, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Bullshit.

To begin with, Religion did not act as the glue that held society together. It has always been the cudgel. It has been doing all in its power to tear us apart for centuries.

Have we forgotten what JFK had to go through to get elected simply because he was a Catholic? Or how about the wars between Catholics and Protestants? Christians and Muslims? The discrimination of against the Jews? Or how about the witch hunts that took place in Salem?

Sure its good for uniting people who happen to have the correct religious privilege, but THAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM! If you are part of the privileged class then it won't have any affect upon you. Everyone else's rights get obliterated. And inevitably, the elites among the privileged will try and have themselves put at the top and force their views on everyone else.

History is full of examples of this. The Christians of ancient Rome went from the minority to the majority and then used their seat of power to persecute the other religions. The Catholics persecuted the protestants when in power and the protestants persecuted the Catholics. Confucianists persecuting Buddhist and Buddhist persecuting Muslims. Its endless.

Secularism, is, has been, and will continue to be the solution to the divisiveness caused by religious intolerance. Real secularism, not the cartoonish character drawn by this article. Tolerance and secularism go hand in hand.

Why have some many of these believers silenced themselves if there are so many of them? Simple, because they too believe in secularism and understand its not right to force policy on others that they don't believe in. Rather, it is better to find non-religious reasons for running society that we, the people, can all support.

To try and talk about the role of religion in "liberal" tradition and to deny the role of secularism is misleading if not out right false. It was seeing how religion divided people that led the liberals of the colonial times to support secularism. Now the SCotUS has blown a huge hole in the wall of separation.

This article is nothing more than a gigantic strawman to promote the conservative position of legislating religion. Secularism does not keep people from discussing religion in all corner of the "public sphere," rather it restricts it from being promoted or enforced through law and legislation.

Ultimately, this article purpose is to argue for religious preference and if someone of the religious left wants that....then they are no better than the religious right and I will oppose them both. What the left needs to do is to show people why the ruling was bad and how it discriminates and get more "believers" to stop supporting fragrant violations of the first and fourteenth Amendment like this.

Moral Mondays? What about that? mmonk May 2014 #1
Oh, I think we are taking it back, but we have got to stop our cbayer May 2014 #2
And what exactly is "our side"? skepticscott May 2014 #4
The sky daddy believers have GOT to go! FrodosPet May 2014 #59
You don't even aknowledge religious privilege... MellowDem May 2014 #16
If we want the House back yeoman6987 May 2014 #26
Fully agree. And that goes both ways. cbayer May 2014 #27
And if their opinion is 'my faith holds same-sex marriage to be unacceptable'? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #40
Totally with you on killing gerrymandered districting. cbayer May 2014 #44
Gerrymandering was a good thing at first yeoman6987 May 2014 #53
It's double-edged. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #54
So he's blaming secularists skepticscott May 2014 #3
I thought it was because rock May 2014 #5
Are you saying that all believers, including the liberal/progressive people cbayer May 2014 #6
I'm saying Uganda and face it, Christian leaders are inciting violence and calling for horrible Bluenorthwest May 2014 #7
I posted an article that does a good job of outlining the atrocities cbayer May 2014 #11
If they believe that an invisible being is watching over them skepticscott May 2014 #8
Yes, I think that's a fair statement rock May 2014 #9
Thanks! That's going to work out real well when we are focused on GOTV. cbayer May 2014 #10
"consigned discussions of religion and its impact to the supper table, the church pew and Fox News" muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #12
The press pays little to no attention to what goes on within the progressive/liberal cbayer May 2014 #13
And if they did look in this group, they'd find contempt for non-believers too. trotsky May 2014 #14
" It's just not as sexy as what the religious right does. " AtheistCrusader May 2014 #23
Well, it's also because they have clear cut objectives that are rather absolute cbayer May 2014 #24
Why would the "worst possible solution" be Catholics leaving their corrupt, conservative church... trotsky May 2014 #25
Your response is confusing to me. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #34
You really have no business encouraging anyone to leave anything unless you cbayer May 2014 #36
Why not? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #37
But you are contradicting yourself. cbayer May 2014 #42
Do you give money to said orgs? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #45
I absolutely do give money and they absolutely do lobby. cbayer May 2014 #46
I don't think it's unrealistic or 'off putting' to suggest someone find a path in keeping with AtheistCrusader May 2014 #48
I again question why you think it is within your purview to suggest cbayer May 2014 #50
People here HAVE suggested I go check out a UU church. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #51
I saw that, but, IIRC, it was in response to you inquiring about the UU church. cbayer May 2014 #52
Ok, to borrow your words, what business do you have interpreting a comment about AtheistCrusader May 2014 #55
The Arbiter of All Things has spoken. trotsky May 2014 #56
Religious expression was never a glue that bound men together... MellowDem May 2014 #15
I think "stretched" is being kind Prophet 451 May 2014 #17
I agree that it is in everyone's best interest to rebuild that wall and that we are cbayer May 2014 #19
Do you have any data whatsoever to show that "anti-theism" is destroying the Democratic Party? trotsky May 2014 #21
I've noted that threads about religion that get posted to GD usually get AtheistCrusader May 2014 #38
Secularists have created their own form of intolerance? LostOne4Ever May 2014 #18
Do you not see the "secular" intolerance towards religious people or do you not feel cbayer May 2014 #20
"Secular" intolerance LostOne4Ever May 2014 #60
This sounds a lot like the anti-chickenpox vaccine argument I got into last week in GD. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #22
Sorry, are we supposed to issuee engraved invitations to various Kelvin Mace May 2014 #28
Then you haven't been paying attention. cbayer May 2014 #29
Bear in mind that the Religion forum is for discussing and debating religion CJCRANE May 2014 #30
I beg to differ. It's very much for promoting liberal ideas and the liberal/progressive cbayer May 2014 #31
Religion (Group): About This Group CJCRANE May 2014 #32
Are these not religious issues? Is this not a relevant topic? cbayer May 2014 #33
I didn't tell you what you can and can't post. CJCRANE May 2014 #35
Ok, I hear you, but I actually get lots of good conversation in here. cbayer May 2014 #39
Hahaha AtheistCrusader May 2014 #41
I think it's often worse in GD because those that stand up for believers and most believers cbayer May 2014 #43
Fair enough. Keep at it. CJCRANE May 2014 #47
It is heartening and I think they are taking it back, though the press seems cbayer May 2014 #49
maybe we should start public meetings with a civics lesson rurallib May 2014 #57
Instead of a prayer!!: cbayer May 2014 #58
Religious expression was never the glue that held America together, look up the Protestant vs. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #61
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