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Starboard Tack

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25. Don't feed the demons. They'll eventually go away.

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 28, 2014, 05:47 PM

Jan 2014

Lot of truth in the OP

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We need a ginormous food fight here, so let's have a frank little chat about demons [View all] struggle4progress Jan 2014 OP

Oh, demons exist all right ... Scuba Jan 2014 #1

I would take exception in one area. cbayer Jan 2014 #2

I agree get the red out Jan 2014 #6

When you see psychiatry illness and religion overlap, it cbayer Jan 2014 #9

In this case, both women had previous mental health issues. Jim__ Jan 2014 #7

There is ample evidence that they both had significant psychiatric issues. cbayer Jan 2014 #10

So in condemning one extreme point of view (that it was 100% religion).... trotsky Jan 2014 #12

I agree. This was about psychiatric illness. - n/t Jim__ Jan 2014 #14

Solely? trotsky Jan 2014 #16

killing someon is not apart of a exorcism. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #17

Well, unless god spoke to the individual performing it and ordered them to. trotsky Jan 2014 #20

So it is not about religion but mental illness. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #22

Both. trotsky Jan 2014 #27

You have as skewed a view of psychiatry as you do of religion. rug Jan 2014 #35

Academics, psychology, find ties between religion and mental illness Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #81

We have it on good authority skepticscott Jan 2014 #32

Yet another example that the disagreements are not on the topic, trotsky Jan 2014 #43

Yes, I think we can pretty much discount skepticscott Jan 2014 #47

Religious and Civil rackman89 Jan 2014 #79

Welcome to DU and to the Religion Group, rackman89. cbayer Jan 2014 #88

Welcome, rackman89! trotsky Jan 2014 #92

So what do you think? skepticscott Jan 2014 #153

Adding to trotsky's question skepticscott Jan 2014 #125

Of course, one of the requirements of a meaningful discussion skepticscott Jan 2014 #152

Don't feed the demons. They'll eventually go away. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #25

Lol! rug Jan 2014 #36

Oh, poor Tack skepticscott Jan 2014 #46

Is that true? Maybe "bad" people were "exorcised" from a community, by killing them? Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #83

That is not the point of an exorcism. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #84

Exorcism in the proper sense, exorcises demon from individual. But cf. individual, from community Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #85

Removing someone from the community is excommunication. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #86

If we are to believe the bible, trotsky Jan 2014 #87

When Moses found some worshiping the golden calf etc., they were removed by killing them Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #89

Somethibg clearly went wrong. Exorcisms are not designed to kill people. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #90

Exorcisms as you choose to define them, no. trotsky Jan 2014 #93

I understand that but tell me a faith that kills peopl during an exorcism currently. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #94

Do a Google search on "exorcism death". trotsky Jan 2014 #96

Is it a doctrine to kill them in the procedure or is it exorcism gone into murder? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #97

I don't know - can you read their minds? trotsky Jan 2014 #98

I would not be surprised if there was mental issues here. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #99

Do you believe that your god can heal people? trotsky Jan 2014 #100

Other than Jesus and Lazarus I think medical science brings people back from hrmjustin Jan 2014 #101

Medical science cannot bring back the dead. trotsky Jan 2014 #102

Can God do it I would say yes. Does he do it I do not think so. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #103

OK, thanks for answering my question. trotsky Jan 2014 #104

Yes many believe this. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #105

And many believe that demons and evil spirits exist, and can posses people, right? trotsky Jan 2014 #107

Yes many hold this belief. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #109

In the official RCC procedure for exorcism, the individual believed to be possessed... trotsky Jan 2014 #113

I agree exorsism deaths do happen. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #114

As I indicated, "exorcism" is rather loosely defined. trotsky Jan 2014 #115

The RCC uses the Roman Ritual. it is no secret. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #116

... trotsky Jan 2014 #117

Well I think we can agree there is no rubric to kill the person. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #118

I never said there was. trotsky Jan 2014 #119

I know you weren't. I was just making a point. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #120

Rituals of exorcism, are continuous with "purification" practices; including executing the unclean Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #127

So he could heal horribly afflicted children, but chooses not to? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #106

You welcome to your beliefs as I am welocome to mine. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #108

Who said all beliefs are equal? The Bible definitely had preferences. So do many of us Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #130

"So we need to look to see if your beliefs are good. If they don't seem good, we try to tell you so" hrmjustin Jan 2014 #132

How about albino "witches" in Africa? PassingFair Jan 2014 #144

There is no doubt in my mind. cbayer Jan 2014 #24

If you're claiming that deaths and other tragedies can't result skepticscott Jan 2014 #33

It's worse than sad, it's willfully dishonest, designed to flame. rug Jan 2014 #37

Your own husband called it "religious nuttery," cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 #44

Tough to get your stories straight skepticscott Jan 2014 #52

Yup. Consistency just isn't going happen... trotsky Jan 2014 #72

The core problem with DU religionists cbayer&Rug: they feel there is a "real," good religion. Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #137

Where did you get the idea you could speak for me? cbayer Jan 2014 #138

When you speak of the problem being religion gone bad, from the mentally ill... Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #139

No it doesn't. cbayer Jan 2014 #140

Could you clarify what you mean when you say some religion is not delusional? Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #142

It doesn't say anything about "good" at all. cbayer Jan 2014 #145

So where did this person get the notion in the first place skepticscott Jan 2014 #30

So where did this person get menta illness in the first place? rug Jan 2014 #39

As I have no psychiatric or psychological training, and as the OP is essentially the only effort struggle4progress Jan 2014 #13

This: trotsky Jan 2014 #15

Pre-psychiatry, most mental illness was indeed attributed to some cbayer Jan 2014 #19

So you seem to be arguing that we should shut down DU. trotsky Jan 2014 #3

I think he's arguing we should shut down bullshit. rug Jan 2014 #40

See how demonic they can be Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #41

Ah, you're right of course. rug Jan 2014 #42

Wow Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #45

Thanks! I love it when I wow people. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #110

However, that is using the "demons are evil aspects of ourselves" definition muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #4

Interesting, but... Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #18

I'm afraid my philosophical ideas about "the self" are not clear enough to allow me struggle4progress Jan 2014 #23

Don't be silly skepticscott Jan 2014 #31

True Meshuga Jan 2014 #48

We are in complete agreement here. n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #49

The US poll said 46% of the "yes" or "don't know" possession group "believe in the power of exorcism muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #50

And none of that instilling or reinforcing of idiotic and dangerous belief skepticscott Jan 2014 #53

Nope, I guess a full one third of the US population is mentally ill. trotsky Jan 2014 #73

We all have demons within ourselves. riqster Jan 2014 #5

Interesting take. longship Jan 2014 #8

This is good stuff libodem Jan 2014 #11

! struggle4progress Jan 2014 #29

Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talkin' about libodem Jan 2014 #38

Great post. Appreciate the thought you put into it. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #21

Thanks: I done thunk abouts hards I could here struggle4progress Jan 2014 #34

You! De Mon!! underpants Jan 2014 #26

! struggle4progress Jan 2014 #28

if one googles exorcism deaths Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #51

Maybe her history of psychiatric commitment has something to do with it. rug Jan 2014 #54

can a psychotic person perform a religious ritual? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #61

Can a psychotic person write a coherent paragraph? rug Jan 2014 #62

yes. now it is your turn. can a psychotic person perform a religious ritual? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #64

No. Any more than he or she can write a coherent paragraph while psychotic. rug Jan 2014 #146

Ah finally. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #151

can a psychotic person perform a religious ritual? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #78

Are you having a problem that is causing repetition? rug Jan 2014 #147

Yes, I once came across a person on a discussion board who would make statements Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #149

Do tell. By all means provide the link that substantiates this claim. rug Jan 2014 #150

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? struggle4progress Jan 2014 #56

What the fuck are you talking about when talking about demons? How does it relate to... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #57

I have repeatedly been attacked in this group, for some years, because of my habit of noticing struggle4progress Jan 2014 #58

But why call them demons? That's minimizing the struggle and needs of those who... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #60

What I actually say in this thread is: in the pre-scientific age, what we now call struggle4progress Jan 2014 #63

It is your position that "demons" were a pre-scientific explanation for mental illness... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #65

I don't know where she got her ideas: she was reportedly convinced she could see struggle4progress Jan 2014 #67

The wife of a friend of mine Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #71

Did she invent the concept of demons all on her own? trotsky Jan 2014 #75

She wasn't brought up religious Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #154

Where did the concept of demons, and the notion of exorcism to get rid of them, come from? trotsky Feb 2014 #156

Of course not Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #157

You're the one who keeps bringing up indoctrination. trotsky Feb 2014 #158

No one is arguing religion caused the delusions. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #77

Well, yeah, that would be horrible Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #155

As I have explained repeatedly, patients suffering with significant psychiatric disorders cbayer Jan 2014 #91

yes equivocation is a terrible thing to waste. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #66

You are free to provide actual evidence tracing the ideas of Avery or Sanford struggle4progress Jan 2014 #68

No, s4p, your claims require evidence. trotsky Jan 2014 #76

No, what gets you "attacked" is that you want to absolve religion's role... trotsky Jan 2014 #74

Do you prefer referring to them as religious practices as in this? rug Jan 2014 #59

I think you need to explain your use of language *very precisely* muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #69

I feel like throwing a pile of mashed potatoes Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #70

We all die of old age etc.; so in effect God kills all his sons and daughters Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #80

Demons and Existence nil desperandum Jan 2014 #82

Welcome to the Religion group, nil desperandum. cbayer Jan 2014 #95

Solid post! You clearly laid out your rules for what is and is not acceptable here in this group. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #111

+1. And welcome to the Religion group. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #112

Thank you for the kind words nil desperandum Jan 2014 #134

Excellent post! I couldn't agree more Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #121

I never thought of that. How indeed would they spend their time? rug Jan 2014 #148

I have been diagnosed with Schitzoaffective disorder, bi polar type, and paranoid delusions and bravenak Jan 2014 #122

It's really interesting that your atheism gives you the opportunity to recognize when cbayer Jan 2014 #123

I am doing so much better. bravenak Jan 2014 #124

That's the toughest point, isn't it. cbayer Jan 2014 #126

Thank you for your kind words. bravenak Jan 2014 #128

And I think brave people like yourself move things forward. cbayer Jan 2014 #129

I hope so. We are all in this together. bravenak Jan 2014 #131

One of the reasons that we have allowed psychiatric illnesses and patients cbayer Jan 2014 #133

The ignorance of others makes it hard to bring up. bravenak Jan 2014 #135

There was already a crisis and an alarming shortage of services cbayer Jan 2014 #136

The NSA scandal has certainly not helped to assuage the fears of people. bravenak Jan 2014 #141

I don't think we disagree. It doesn't help when some people have a similar belief cbayer Jan 2014 #143