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Tarheel_Dem

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130. A pass? Do you remember 2012 at all? It's much more recent history than 2008. Remember this?

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:10 PM

Jul 2015

"Explainer-In-Chief"

It was a tough re-election, and the polls were very close, and then the guy who the POTUS described as the "Secretary of Explaining Stuff" hit the scene, and the dynamics of the campaign changed. Some of us, who had been pissed at the Clintons & their surrogates, got over it. All was forgiven at this point.

I know BS and his white supporters thought they'd be able to use the '08 primaries as a bludgeon, but I sure as hell hope you guys have something else in the quiver. That dog won't hunt.

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Bernie Sanders' Race Problem: Why People of Color Aren't Feeling the "Bern" [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 OP

Curious. What do you mean by "protected group"? n/t Dawgs Jul 2015 #1

It's the African American Group. bravenak Jul 2015 #2

From the Administrator DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #3

I know the difference. I've just never seen one described as "protected" before. Dawgs Jul 2015 #5

Thank you for pointing it out . I changed it./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #6

Yeah. Um. This is hard. bravenak Jul 2015 #4

There are plenty of fainting couches in GD! marym625 Jul 2015 #31

Ok. I'll remind you. bravenak Jul 2015 #170

Speaking of... This always makes me relax... freshwest Jul 2015 #50

Interesting article, thanks. George II Jul 2015 #7

I don't get why he just doesn't do rallies in NYC, Chicago, L.A., Philly . . . brush Jul 2015 #49

I don't understand it either, but... George II Jul 2015 #54

I'll be looking out for photos of the New Orleans event to see who attends. nt brush Jul 2015 #56

I watched some coverage of LA ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #195

That's funny . . . brush Jul 2015 #196

Because BS' crowd makeup reflects Thom Hartmann's & Ed Schultz's radio audiences. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #64

Yeah! But he needs more than that to win brush Jul 2015 #70

His campaign has made the cynical calculation that we'll just show up cuz we have no choice. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #75

tarheel, I did not know this, gives me some pause irisblue Jul 2015 #184

I "paused" four years ago where BS is concerned. There's nothing he has to say that I wanna hear. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #185

thank you heaven05 Jul 2015 #198

That's why his homogenous "crowds" don't impress me, no matter the size. I'm just glad that.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #206

Most of his meetings have been in early primary states. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #131

There is that but . . . brush Jul 2015 #137

Bernie is white, it is easy to be a white man in the Senate and simply not get how big a deal randys1 Jul 2015 #140

Agreed! brush Jul 2015 #143

I agree that the primary system is not representative of the US. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #144

It's entirely possible that his campaign strategy would be to hit the "safe" places first Number23 Jul 2015 #142

Yep, he mishandled a huge opportunity brush Jul 2015 #146

+1. Black Twitter has spoken. If they didn't know him before, they certainly know him now. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #151

Yes, they do. Wonder why our friend that was so quick to declare a victory lap when BlacksForBernie Number23 Jul 2015 #152

Since I trashed that group, I don't know what's happening out there. It was so ludicrous to make... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #153

Well, I can understand why your trashed GD/P but you missed some Grade A comedy gold Number23 Jul 2015 #155

I'll never forget that claim as long as I live. BS' campaign, much like OWS, is libertarian at..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #166

Libertarian to socialist? gollygee Jul 2015 #171

I think that must be one I have on ignore BainsBane Jul 2015 #181

Well worth it! Laughs is all that person has EVER been good for Number23 Jul 2015 #182

But even then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #205

I just dont get it myself, why would Bernie ignore BLM and so on. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #207

I have seen the "his base wouldn't like it" reasoning; but, I ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #208

Hope so. Either way, it is a nightmare for me to even imagine one of them not winning. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #209

Actually ... And, I have said this before ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #210

In the short run I suppose. You wont be able to vote even now if you dont have the exact AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #211

That Spandan article was posted last night and got locked. Wilms Jul 2015 #8

I'm not locking the op - Second Warning - Back Away from the Group JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #11

Actually, I wasn't in favor of that post being locked. Wilms Jul 2015 #12

It was inevitable that he would collide head on with the AA community Gman Jul 2015 #9

I've had similar observations, and pointed it out elsewhere.... George II Jul 2015 #18

He's trying to represent all Americans Alfalfa Aug 2015 #212

Interesting article and comments, DSB.. thank you! Cha Jul 2015 #10

As a white guy tentatively supporting Bernie, I think you're right Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #13

Are you familiar with Steve Cohen? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #14

Yep, I am Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #15

Are they unable to use Google search? NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #24

Are they unable to use Google search? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #25

That's AMAZING. Indydem Jul 2015 #51

So she was sixteen when she was a Goldwater girl... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #55

Thank you for this post! jakedsname Jul 2015 #135

You are welcome,sir. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #141

Exactly. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #156

When I was a junior in high school we read Flowers For Algernon and To Kill A Mockingbird DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #160

We read those as well. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #161

Didn't Charlie keep getting smarter and smarter until it reversed? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #163

Yep. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #164

I still haven't read even ONE of my seventeen copies of "The Catcher in the Rye". OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #169

It baffles me Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #172

Wow. Just WOW! qwlauren35 Jul 2015 #63

I thought she was seventeen when she was a "Goldwater Girl" DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #107

Newflash: Nobody gives a f**k what BS did in '63. There are Republicans who claim to have.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #66

Joe Lieberman was a civil rights activist also JI7 Jul 2015 #68

And just like BS & David Horowitz, I wouldn't vote for Joe Liebermann either. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #72

That's not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #76

Perhaps I should clarify. Nobody who posts regularly IN THIS FORUM gives a f**k. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #77

What??? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #79

Yeah, that's a winner right there! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #82

Well ... That's what I heard ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #90

Well, I had heard that you weren't really black at all, and even if you were, you was a rich bougie Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #91

Well, I AM rather well off ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #99

Bid Whist? That settles it. Real black folk play spades. "BOUGIE"! I'll bet you eat arugala! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #102

Real black folk play spades ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #118

LOL! You remember when folks jumped down POTUS' throat cuz he asked for "arugala"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #120

#BlackLivesMatter heaven05 Jul 2015 #199

Do I think the demographics of Bernie's support will change? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #202

I think people should be forgiven for mistakes made in high school. She was a teenager then... jakedsname Jul 2015 #78

Please see Post 55 DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #108

The fact that you came into this forum with this tired, BS meme is nothing short of astonishing Number23 Jul 2015 #145

I might was well say I NEVER bring my Hillary advocacy to this forum . DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #168

if you've ever seen lawyer work in real life HFRN Jul 2015 #201

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #203

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #38

This is an amazing post. It is truly refreshing to see someone here who gets it Number23 Jul 2015 #138

Yep. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #157

not JUST a D.C thing heaven05 Jul 2015 #200

Good read of the situation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #204

Maybe because they weren't arrested HoosierCowboy Jul 2015 #16

At first I thought is was just my perception. procon Jul 2015 #17

The comments on that blog are on point. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #19

I had a few issues with this piece as well. I don't think that Sanders' questions with the trade Number23 Jul 2015 #150

It is spot on. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #162

"He doesn't have much of a track record for passing bills now, so...there's that too." Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #186

IKR? Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #188

Just wait til he has to make compromises with the"bluedog turd way wall street lovin' dems" to get.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #189

No, they wouldn't turn on him as quickly as they turned on Obama. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #190

So everything is sacrificed on the altar of "economic justice"? Got it. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #191

Which honestly, in this case, should translate to "white middle class anxiety attack" Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #192

+1, I get the impression that if Sanders won the primary he would run far away from Obama... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #193

And I think that alot of POC can sense that. Which is probably one of the reasons for Sanders' reall Number23 Jul 2015 #194

Interesting disclaimer Depaysement Jul 2015 #20

What a horrid article. blackspade Jul 2015 #21

Sanders will do the right thing. ananda Jul 2015 #22

I think he will too. blackspade Jul 2015 #23

And don't think they won't .. ananda Jul 2015 #39

They certainly will. And they will find a way to make money and expand their power at the same time. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #61

"That said, African Americans have huge voting leverage" The problem there is that there cstanleytech Jul 2015 #26

That is all true. blackspade Jul 2015 #29

Agree. ananda Jul 2015 #41

However, I would argue that that tact is not the right framing blackspade Jul 2015 #45

If they can and do vote, yes they do have alot leverage but there is another problem cstanleytech Jul 2015 #53

So says you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #47

What? blackspade Jul 2015 #69

The empirical data that indicates ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #74

We seem to be talking past each other here... blackspade Jul 2015 #80

I suspect the author is using visuals of the events to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #81

Unfortuately, visual data collection is very difficult to emperically measure. blackspade Jul 2015 #94

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #100

That last bit is my worry. blackspade Jul 2015 #101

And mine, as well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #103

NBC: Bernie Sanders Is Surging Among White Democrats, Minorities Love Hillary Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #67

It was a statement from the article... blackspade Jul 2015 #73

Unsubstantiated? You mean besides scientific polling? One doesn't have to look far to see... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #86

I agree about the polling data. blackspade Jul 2015 #96

You guys keep saying that. We know who BS is. Stop making excuses. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #97

Excuses? Please clarify. blackspade Jul 2015 #104

Claiming that AA's as a voting bloc, don't know who BS is. That's an excuse for his poor performance Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #105

So you are saying that Sanders can't connect with the African-American community at all? blackspade Jul 2015 #106

My "vitriol" as you claim, comes from BS wanting to primary my president's re-election efforts. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #109

I understand your ire then. blackspade Jul 2015 #115

Nope. And I don't concede that "they don't know who he is". We're a lot more astute than we're.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #116

I was looking at the polling data. blackspade Jul 2015 #117

What don't you understand about "Re-Election"? He was our 1st AA president, and to be blindsided by Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #119

I get your point about that. blackspade Jul 2015 #126

A pass? Do you remember 2012 at all? It's much more recent history than 2008. Remember this? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #130

You just answered my question. blackspade Jul 2015 #158

"notion that economic issues have no support in the AA community is false" Number23 Jul 2015 #148

+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #213

I think Bernie's lengthy history as a lone 'leftie' in a swamp of venal cynicism Joe Chi Minh Jul 2015 #27

Here's the problem the way I see it. Laser102 Jul 2015 #28

What about Obama? Where is he on the BLM? It's important as he is actually President. jalan48 Jul 2015 #32

Absolutely agree! Laser102 Jul 2015 #40

Absolutely. The more officials, the better. But in suffcient numbers, so that Joe Chi Minh Jul 2015 #43

Kick & Recommended. William769 Jul 2015 #30

Making perfection the enemy of the good is also a staple of the Obama and Clinton DU analysts. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #33

True. Joe Chi Minh Jul 2015 #46

Great Piece that captures the mainstream of Black thought, regarding Bernie ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #34

Agree with all you said. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #58

a matter of choice, a matter of habit highprincipleswork Jul 2015 #35

"However, on substantive issues that really count, who would actually do more for you?" Martin Eden Jul 2015 #65

Is this another post scolding black folk for identity politics? If so, there may be a hint of truth Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #187

I was going to bring a thought-out critique... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #36

THere was a link in a post here about Bernie supporting the puke fuck border racists who pretend randys1 Jul 2015 #37

One could also have a bunch of POC at rallies, then make bank$ter/donors rich while turning jtuck004 Jul 2015 #42

....the composition of his crowds could make the Republican National Convention look diverse by MADem Jul 2015 #44

this is not a racist post AnAzulTexas Jul 2015 #48

Please elaborate. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #52

2008 and 2012 standing for hours, some camped out overnight POC who GOTV were invisible to O'Reilly. freshwest Jul 2015 #59

I knew the minute I read your disclaimer, that it was indeed gonna be "a racist post". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #71

Jury Results oneshooter Jul 2015 #174

Yeah, stupid AFrican Americans just dont know what is good for them randys1 Jul 2015 #175

Well I'm a black man supporting Bernie Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #57

Is that the real problem? Or don't you believe the groups who say Bernie isn't addressing their..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #83

Like when he cancelled his meeting with BLM rbrnmw Jul 2015 #85

Hillary Clinton, and some black preachers made him do it. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #87

Of course they must have. rbrnmw Jul 2015 #88

I can't believe some of the rationalizations coming out of all these new "black" posters. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #89

I know right? rbrnmw Jul 2015 #92

He lost two DU'ers over the weekend. I think BS will cause a rift that won't heal anytime soon. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #93

Oh well truth is truth if they don't like it I'm sorry rbrnmw Jul 2015 #95

What did you find in your 'investigation'? Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #111

Not talking about you exactly rbrnmw Jul 2015 #114

'Not exactly' is far from not, especially considering the location of your post. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Jul 2015 #125

Look I apologize rbrnmw Jul 2015 #128

I have only respect for you for saying that. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #129

I'm cool with that rbrnmw Jul 2015 #132

Interesting. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #122

A lot of newbies in this group lately. There's "black", and then there's "Rachel Dolezal black". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #134

Love you too, Tarheel. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #147

!!!! Number23 Jul 2015 #177

Nope, I think the same thing is happening that happened to Obama Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #110

BS is no Barack Obama, and I expect the "machine" is a figment of your imagination. You sound a lot Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #113

Yes next tell the Daley family that machine politics are just a figment of their imagination. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #121

And here's what the BS "machine" did four years later. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #127

Well at least now you believe in machines. Congrats on leaving that part of your delusion behind. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #133

Well, I guess you told me. Thanks for the education tips, but when I'm in the mood for some.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #136

So when I say there are machine and you say there are not and then I prove they are real Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #139

I'll let you get back to your "machine" CT's now. I wouldn't want to monopolize your valuable time. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #149

Which part did I revise specifically? Did I fabricate the links and the 2008 primary polling data? Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #165

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #167

Thanks for your post. And welcome to the AA forum. Number23 Jul 2015 #154

Posted here for years, just don't post much. Been black on DU longer then most. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #159

Good article ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #60

Now I am hearing he cancelled meeting with "Black Lives Matter" at netroots randys1 Jul 2015 #62

He did indeed do that rbrnmw Jul 2015 #84

That is the problem, Hillary is likely to give a whole lotta talk about it, but in reality randys1 Jul 2015 #98

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