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Gun Control & RKBA

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mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:26 AM Dec 2012

Why "Chicago" is a Bad Gun-Rights Argument [View all]

I wish I had a Dollar for every time some pro-gun commenter used the argument that the gun violence in Chicago proves that gun control doesn't work. They say this as if it really makes sense. On pro-gun blogs they repeat it so often that they've actually begun to believe it.

Unlike some of our friends, Frail Liberty for example, I put a good deal of stock into the Google-search-engine method of determining statistics. Searching for news results on a particular subject, although not comprehensive by any means, is a good way of obtaining a rough idea of what's reaching the news. DGUs, for example, appear to be about 100 times less frequent than gun misuse. Allowing for the very reasonable argument that DGUs of the brandishing kind don't make the news, one can make the appropriate allowances and come up with a fairly accurate idea of what's what.

About Chicago, there's an interesting thing to be found in Google. Almost every single incident is gang or drug or criminal related. Weekends when a dozen people are killed and scores wounded, you can usually find not one case of lawful gun owners going bad. In other places where gun restrictions are less onerous, domestic violence by formerly lawful gun owners, work related shootings by formerly law abiding gun owners and other like incidents make up a major percentage of the gun crime. Not so in Chicago.

Of course Chicago has some hidden criminals like any place, but due to the strict gun control, they are far fewer and they make the news much less frequently.

This means that Chicago is a good example of gun control working as it should. In spite of the ridiculous claims of the pro-gun folks, we understand that criminals do not obey laws. The gang members and drug dealers in Chicago are no exception. They easily import all the guns they need from Indiana, Ohio and several other states with lax gun laws within driving distance. But among the non-criminal citizens of Chicago, there is an extremely safe and secure environment, thanks to its gun control restrictions and resultant limited gun availability.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted on Mikeb302000

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They're always trying to use Chicago in a negative format. BVictor1 Dec 2012 #1
A correction to your post... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #10
k&r +a zillion trillion billion graham4anything Dec 2012 #2
So you agree the most violent places are those with gang problems hack89 Dec 2012 #3
Yes, I've always agreed with that, but mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #32
And of course you have crime stats that show this? hack89 Dec 2012 #36
"I put a good deal of stock into the Google-search-engine method of determining statistics." pipoman Dec 2012 #4
Professor Google. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #6
LOL! So much for the dignity of scholarship. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #11
Holy Cow! pipoman Dec 2012 #21
What else can he do from Italy? rl6214 Dec 2012 #15
Yet he regularly discounts actual stats pipoman Dec 2012 #20
When "actual stats" say there are millions of DGUs a year, mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #33
Because you and your "Google-search-engine method of determining statistics" pipoman Dec 2012 #35
Take a look at El Paso, TX GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #5
"Take a look at El Paso, TX" rl6214 Dec 2012 #16
Denying Oneka Dec 2012 #7
Automatic Rec for logic so twisted that it boggles the mind slackmaster Dec 2012 #8
Chicago, Politicians and Gun Control Remmah2 Dec 2012 #9
Gun control "working as it should?" For thugs. And elites. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #12
Exactly sarisataka Dec 2012 #22
The gangs in Chicago deal drugs and can easily smuggle firearms ... spin Dec 2012 #13
Google-perception aside, does Chicago actually have a significantly lower rate petronius Dec 2012 #14
Good question. Straw Man Dec 2012 #17
Here they are: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #18
I think we need something more specific than that, to address the OP's hypothesis petronius Dec 2012 #24
Thanks for the clarification. That can be dealt with. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #25
Compare Chicago to Houston, the nearest city in size; it's not a bit flattering to Chi-town: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #28
Well, I don't know the view from a cafe in Rome, but living here is another matter DonP Dec 2012 #19
I bookmarked this thread for many reasons, your post included. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #26
Another was *this* example of industrial-strength stupidity from the OP: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #27
Might want to include Oneka Dec 2012 #31
Go ashead mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #34
just shootings or gejohnston Dec 2012 #39
Data like that is essential to your argument, which is why I asked you the question petronius Dec 2012 #40
This thread is a logic fail of epic proportions. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #23
yep, gun control is working perfectly in Chicago-for the criminals and the government. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #29
So where is a good example of a gun control argument? guardian Dec 2012 #30
Boy this takes the cake. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #37
Google search engine stats? aikoaiko Dec 2012 #38
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