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X_Digger

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27. They're virtually the same in those circumstances, pistol grip or straight stock.
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jan 2012

Matter of fact, you could flip a straight stocked rifle into position to fire from the hip faster than a pistol grip. (As that's the natural position for your hand and you wouldn't have to flex your elbow.)

No, you've just been conned by a talking point.

Take a flashlight in your hand at hip level and point it down at the ground. Flip your wrist to point the beam forward. Next, go grab a hair dryer or cordless drill (something with a pistol grip) and do the same thing.

It's obvious when you test it yourself.



Outstanding post, benEzra. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #1
Pistol grips on any long gun are much more comfortable. ileus Jan 2012 #2
Pistol grips on any long gun are much more comfortable, especially for women. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #4
I guess some want to sit in a recliner and blast away. Hoyt Jan 2012 #3
Those are his concealed carry guns DonP Jan 2012 #5
Yeah, they can also be used as a crutch if he shoots his foot. Hoyt Jan 2012 #21
"Didn't read narrative......." Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #12
Sorry, there is little in it I'm likely to agree with in this life. Hoyt Jan 2012 #19
Well, you might agree that pistol grips are common on European target guns... benEzra Jan 2012 #25
Ignorance, especially of the deliberate variety, The Doctor. Jan 2012 #81
More like you avoid material which conflicts with your memes, Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #119
That's what I say when I'm too ashamed to say "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #135
Here's what I think: Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #51
Yeah, that blue color was a little lurid. Don't worry about not 'reading... SteveW Jan 2012 #72
That line of 'reasoning' would make any pictures of flowers The Doctor. Jan 2012 #83
Ignorance is bliss DragonBorn Jan 2012 #221
I believe that the"gun porn" scares him. n/t oneshooter Jan 2012 #224
Maybe the law could be rewritten... ellisonz Jan 2012 #6
"Death Spewer"? That is funny DonP Jan 2012 #7
Yeah whatever... ellisonz Jan 2012 #15
rude death spewer gunner toter baser. ileus Jan 2012 #50
Intentionally or unintentionally not showing the side with the stock folded against it? rl6214 Jan 2012 #10
Looking at the pic of the AK, ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #14
Yes. Underfolders are slow to deploy and a bit of a pain for that reason, though. benEzra Jan 2012 #23
No...This is a death spewer. beevul Jan 2012 #16
I have occassionally... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #66
It's understandable that one might get that impression from the "fear sells" media... benEzra Jan 2012 #22
Nope, that's a death spewer. ellisonz Jan 2012 #70
'ze Germans' would be carrying automatics in this case. His guns are no match. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #89
I resent you saying I have "hatred" by the way. ellisonz Jan 2012 #91
After you apologize for all of your mischaracterizations, The Doctor. Jan 2012 #115
It's not mischaracterization when it's true and the consensus depiction... ellisonz Jan 2012 #213
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #219
Why would I want to play footsie with you? ellisonz Jan 2012 #220
You don't realize how much you are projecting, do you? The Doctor. Jan 2012 #223
Sounds to me like you are afraid to take the test. n/t oneshooter Jan 2012 #225
LOL beevul Jan 2012 #228
I'll bite. ellisonz Jan 2012 #230
Fundamental misunderstandings. Straw Man Jan 2012 #232
And bite you did. beevul Jan 2012 #233
There's the classic "Damn right we'll conficate" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #234
Let me remind you what the gun control lobby *used* to say about Title 1 rifles like mine. benEzra Jan 2012 #136
i have a very similar rifle YllwFvr Jan 2012 #198
No, just the West Germans. :-b benEzra Jan 2012 #121
Do you have some sort of plan to separate me from my death spewer? Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #137
death spewer toter -- I may have to make that my new sigline -- wonder how well that would go over Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #152
AAAAAAhahahahahahahahaha rl6214 Jan 2012 #154
See someone with a sense of humor about life... ellisonz Jan 2012 #155
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #222
I hope to get an AK pistol this year for the Jeep. ileus Jan 2012 #49
I have a 30cal BAR and a 1919a4 for my jeep oneshooter Jan 2012 #118
I have an AR pistol I built that I take out often in the jeep. rl6214 Jan 2012 #156
"Death Spewer" Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #59
You expect "virulent pro-death spewer reaction" from fellow progressives? SteveW Jan 2012 #73
You're as bad as the anti-choicers. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #87
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it." ellisonz Jan 2012 #90
That's not rational, but I'd like to help. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #95
I have no need for your "help" ellisonz Jan 2012 #98
Whatever excuse you need to avoid backing up your own assertions. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #107
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it." ellisonz Jan 2012 #109
Like I said, you were fishing for excuses to avoid a substantive challenge. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #110
Full automatics ARE legal, in many states. beevul Jan 2012 #151
Wow, I haven't seen a backpedal like that in ages. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #173
When you call people and/or their tools "death-spewers", you are accusing them of homocidal intent PavePusher Jan 2012 #189
Would you like to hear about the gun control measures I'm OK with? benEzra Jan 2012 #138
I'm very open-minded.... ellisonz Jan 2012 #149
Oh we can tell you're open minded... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #187
That's your opinion. ellisonz Jan 2012 #197
What do you find unconvincing? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #200
... ellisonz Jan 2012 #204
I guess I just don't understand your sense of humor. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #205
There was a lot of funny about that post... ellisonz Jan 2012 #208
Since you wont engage in actual debate.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #211
Debating you is like debating a dining room table, I have no further interest in doing it. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #215
If you keep losing to the dining room table.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #216
He's gonna have one bitch of a time when the armoire wakes up... Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #231
I don't know a single gun owner that dosen't want to see an end to violence rl6214 Jan 2012 #158
Most European systems would liscense you as a collector I believe... ellisonz Jan 2012 #159
Or as a competitive shooter. benEzra Jan 2012 #172
I am licensed as a collector rl6214 Jan 2012 #177
So then I suppose the question... ellisonz Jan 2012 #178
I guess my question would be...what is a higher standard? rl6214 Jan 2012 #180
Say required by law like you've done on your own to... ellisonz Jan 2012 #183
I know there are some places that have requirements like that rl6214 Jan 2012 #184
I love Guns forum analogies iverglas Jan 2012 #114
That's pretty misandrist of you to say that. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #117
do you have an opinion on abortion? iverglas Jan 2012 #124
You need glasses then. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #128
omg iverglas Jan 2012 #148
Many years, no reason. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #174
That AK is pretty stupid DissedByBush Jan 2012 #126
This poster is no longer with us. ellisonz Jan 2012 #179
What did dissed do to warrant his ejection? rl6214 Jan 2012 #181
From his profile: ellisonz Jan 2012 #182
Didn't I see something like that in a post that he was going to post it as his sig line rl6214 Jan 2012 #185
Doncha know those against pistol grips don't care how uncomfortable it is to shoot without one rl6214 Jan 2012 #8
Yeah, but when I Read a few lines, it's about better if attacked. Hoyt Jan 2012 #26
"Too much paranoia" indeed. benEzra Jan 2012 #28
Don't care about that bull. This commando bs is not good for society. Hoyt Jan 2012 #30
Dude, I'm a 41-year old geek. benEzra Jan 2012 #32
You still read townhall.com. Hoyt Jan 2012 #37
Actually, I don't. benEzra Jan 2012 #45
Sorry, wrong thread. I was posting from new phone rather than desktop. Hoyt Jan 2012 #48
No problem at all; we're all human here. benEzra Jan 2012 #125
I have no real problem with most people having a gun at home. But, not so much, in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #161
Whoa, you can't remember who linked townhall.com? beevul Jan 2012 #47
Lookout... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #67
Admittedly, that's funny. Hoyt Jan 2012 #165
Have a nice day. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #186
BE CAREFUL! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #188
Do you strap on a backup as well? Hoyt Jan 2012 #192
Negative, sir. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #193
Define 'not good' and 'commando' E6-B Jan 2012 #34
Members of gun culture always want definitions. Think is my advice. Hoyt Jan 2012 #36
I think you have not thought this out very much. E6-B Jan 2012 #52
Well yeah.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #57
If you can't define a problem then it indicates you don't understand the problem. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #62
Defining terms is important Union Scribe Jan 2012 #130
Read my signature....... Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #133
In what way is it harmful? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #60
"Commando:" Are you referencing an old Studebaker? nt SteveW Jan 2012 #74
I don't get it...why are you so opposed to people defending themselves against thugs? Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #140
I'd like to see your society policeman badge rl6214 Jan 2012 #160
Good post my boy x dog Jan 2012 #9
I carried a shotgun around with a sawed off stock when someone was stalking and tried Lint Head Jan 2012 #11
I hear you on stalker. On pistol grip, it's kind of like some folks recommend maturbation Hoyt Jan 2012 #38
Not competitve. I just target practice. Lint Head Jan 2012 #227
Pistol grips are very good on shotguns DissedByBush Jan 2012 #127
Yeah, hearing that silly meme repeated here made me scratch my head. X_Digger Jan 2012 #13
Again, talking about at close range in surprise at a crowd... ellisonz Jan 2012 #17
If you ever find yourself in NC, shoot me a PM. benEzra Jan 2012 #24
They're virtually the same in those circumstances, pistol grip or straight stock. X_Digger Jan 2012 #27
You mean, like a crowd in the queue to go through a metal detector... krispos42 Jan 2012 #35
Into a public event... ellisonz Jan 2012 #40
By that criteria, you should be more worried about shotguns. beevul Jan 2012 #42
"And yet...somehow I doubt that you are." ellisonz Jan 2012 #43
Nice dodge. beevul Jan 2012 #44
Are you keeping records? ellisonz Jan 2012 #68
We all are. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #69
And yet I'm the totalitarian... ellisonz Jan 2012 #77
Indeed, and we are keeping record of that fact. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #79
At last, something about which I can agree with you Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #141
lol ellisonz Jan 2012 #144
Well, I just took you at your word, it's my usual MO. I'm new here but not to the world. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #145
Well, that's a very silly criteria. PavePusher Jan 2012 #191
So are you saying dude's been following my posts for over a year? ellisonz Jan 2012 #194
Really? You make an accusation of stalking from out of the blue? PavePusher Jan 2012 #199
Grow a sense of humor. ellisonz Jan 2012 #202
No, that is not even remotely what he said. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #201
When you say "I'm not attempting to insult you" ellisonz Jan 2012 #203
No i really wasn't We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #206
Oh I sorree Mr. We_Have_A_Problem... ellisonz Jan 2012 #209
Truthfully... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #212
"You also frequently seem to completely misunderstand what should have been crystal clear." ellisonz Jan 2012 #214
I agree with you 100% We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #217
I state my opinion... ellisonz Jan 2012 #218
Sigh.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #226
Worry about the wrath of an unplugged Remington 870 shotgun! Argh. SteveW Jan 2012 #76
You *do* have to index a rifle at any realistic distance. benEzra Jan 2012 #46
You're right, it's not that widespread in the United States yet... ellisonz Jan 2012 #146
Thoughts, at some length... benEzra Jan 2012 #166
Thoughts, in brief... ellisonz Jan 2012 #175
Sigh... benEzra Jan 2012 #176
A couple of observations re: claims on your part Euromutt Jan 2012 #235
A couple of judgments re: claims on your part ellisonz Jan 2012 #236
If you're trying to make a point, maybe you should try sticking to it Euromutt Jan 2012 #238
Same shit, different poster. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #240
"Please tell me why someone should be allowed to own half-a-dozen handguns with little oversight." friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #239
The issue is theft and supply to the black market. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #241
You really couldn't say more clearly that you do not understand the point. TheWraith Jan 2012 #78
What is the point? ellisonz Jan 2012 #80
Yes, that it's ergonomic. TheWraith Jan 2012 #84
Well I hope that one day soon these military grade weapons will be severely restricted... ellisonz Jan 2012 #85
You've yet to provide any validity to your 'side'.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #92
Different subject... ellisonz Jan 2012 #93
All guns or their antecedents, save for a few target guns / bench competition guns.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #99
Can you reduce the size of your pron? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #100
Do you even do the slightest bit of fact checking? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #102
Have you considered that there are other standards of lethality than ballistics? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #103
By all means We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #105
Sure. ellisonz Jan 2012 #106
Except that.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #111
Nice... killer angel Jan 2012 #195
Did you think nobody would notice your substitution? X_Digger Jan 2012 #112
Do not expect honesty from these people. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #116
You know you linked to your own post, right? moriah Jan 2012 #157
Extrapolation isn't just a word beginning with 'E'. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #162
Damn, then, guess I shoulda voted to hide when it was alerted. ;) moriah Jan 2012 #164
Referring to other posts in a single thread The Doctor. Jan 2012 #169
*taps foot*.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #153
Which of course explains why they are used in less than 3% of all homicides committed with firearms. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #237
*taps foot*.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #245
Yes, there are. benEzra Jan 2012 #143
Those aren't "military grade weapons." TheWraith Jan 2012 #96
Except you are very insistently confusing NON-military-grade weapons with actual benEzra Jan 2012 #139
Unless there is a serious and dramatic change in human behavior We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #94
It appears that some people think abysmal ignorance of a subject is somehow a progressive value? DonP Jan 2012 #101
Well, if an armed citizen can't figure out and shoot the right person in a milling panicked, crowd.. krispos42 Jan 2012 #82
Seriously?! A pistol grip aids in concealment?! Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #242
You had a point? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #58
Notice how even soldiers carry for quick spraying DissedByBush Jan 2012 #131
Interesting picture E6-B Jan 2012 #171
Nice historic photo - looks like an old Browning Automatic Rifle JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #56
That is and he is. The Browning BAR was designed as a "keep their heads down" oneshooter Jan 2012 #120
I wish my dad made me cool stuff like his father did DonP Jan 2012 #61
Anschutz makes extremely accuarate target rifles... spin Jan 2012 #18
Always a pleasure to read a well thought out Union Scribe Jan 2012 #20
Dreaded bayonet attacks E6-B Jan 2012 #29
I endorse them? But, anyone who needs a bayonet, should be prohibited from guns. Hoyt Jan 2012 #31
Is it a massive problem? Bayonet fear mongering. E6-B Jan 2012 #33
If you really think you need a bayonet, you should talk to a medical professional IMlayO. Hoyt Jan 2012 #39
Why? Flash supressors? E6-B Jan 2012 #54
Why should he need a medical professional when you're right here on the scene? Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #142
Can you help me understand flash suppressor logic? E6-B Jan 2012 #170
Sadly, I can not. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #229
I prefer to shoot the litter back to the stone age era veteran Jan 2012 #41
I used my bayonet in the army, and carry one when hunting JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #53
I think really they're talking about the attachment to a rifle...n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #88
A bayonet is merely a knife... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #104
Most of the early bayonets were 16-24" long oneshooter Jan 2012 #123
Is there any use for a forward pistol grip? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #55
The same ergonomics as the rear pistol grip. X_Digger Jan 2012 #63
Great post!! montanto Jan 2012 #64
The Devil!!! Glassunion Jan 2012 #65
Good to hear from you again, Ben. Hope all is well in your family. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #71
Doing great, thanks! benEzra Jan 2012 #150
+1. Dude, that's good news. Thanks for the update. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #163
Glad to hear things look a lot better than they did for a while there. DonP Jan 2012 #190
That determined look. Wish I were that young if for that reason only. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #196
What a person with no feffing clue sounds like.... E6-B Jan 2012 #75
I see you're a fan of the Tucker! n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #86
no, probably googled gejohnston Jan 2012 #97
OMFG! DissedByBush Jan 2012 #134
OMFG she is in Congress writing gun control laws. E6-B Jan 2012 #167
I cannot believe... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #207
Didn't you just post a thread in Meta Union Scribe Jan 2012 #129
Unknowingly via yahoo news. ellisonz Jan 2012 #147
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #168
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #132
Death Spewing hip fire... Glassunion Jan 2012 #108
And compare that can't-hit-squat hip shooting benEzra Jan 2012 #243
Actually, that's not hip firing... PavePusher Jan 2012 #246
Point of order Glassunion Jan 2012 #247
My point exactly... PavePusher Jan 2012 #248
I shot a muzzle loader for the first time last weeked (obviously, no pistol grip)... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2012 #113
I wish all criminals would always shoot from the hip DissedByBush Jan 2012 #122
*dancing* ellisonz Jan 2012 #210
Isn't it great seeing fun guns being accepted by common shooters across America. ileus Jan 2012 #244
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