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holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
42. They are different things, yes.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 10:12 PM
Sep 2012

The LOL part is that there is no such thing as a "high-capacity" clip. A clip holds ammunition by the base of the case so putting more than 10 rounds in a clip configuration would be very flexible and ungainly.

A magazine, on the other hand, completely encloses the round so the ammunition can be stacked very compactly.

What makes this an issue is that you have people whose only knowledge of weapons comes from watching movies (where accuracy isn't a factor) attempting to make policy about something they clearly know little of. It would be analogous to someone making regulations about automobiles who didn't know how to drive.

That is why the Assault Weapons Ban is such a contentious issue -- there is no practical difference between an AR-15 (labeled an Assault Weapon) and a Ruger Mini-14 (not an Assault Weapon). Both have the same capacity, use the same ammo, have the same muzzle velocity and, yes, both have been used in mass shootings.

But, because the AR-15 is black, and scary looking, while the Mini-14 is something that looks like my Dad carried in World War II, one is banned and the other isn't. This show just how ridiculous the debate become when you seen congress-persons and lobbyists debating a topic of which they have no knowledge -- all they have is emotional reactions and the overwhelming desire to "do something" that they think will appeal to their base.


Both parties need to be more progressive to all rights. ileus Sep 2012 #1
Agree, I'm drinking a martini, my favorite from Vietnam days. Wish you were here to join me. nt jody Sep 2012 #2
Very true 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author DWC Sep 2012 #96
depends on the individual voter gejohnston Sep 2012 #3
Makes sense. Bubba Carville said "It's the economy, stupid" and the more things change the more they jody Sep 2012 #4
Yep, adjusted for inflation the NFA tax today would be almost $3000 nt rDigital Sep 2012 #5
I do not understand the assault weapons ban angle. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #6
I think the platform authors feel stuck with it, like the GOP and their zygote personhood plank slackmaster Sep 2012 #8
"this is just pandering to ignorant anti-gun people" 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #12
How disappointing this anti-gun language was retained in the current platform. LAGC Sep 2012 #7
The new AWB has plenty of bite. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #46
You have to admire the "logic" of paragraph L: ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #86
The GOP platform mentions high-capacity "clips"! Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #9
I see "clips or magazines" slackmaster Sep 2012 #10
They are different things, yes. holdencaufield Sep 2012 #42
The new AWB bans both and plenty of others too, such as the M-1 carbine. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #47
That's gonna with 'em some votes? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #48
That is exactly why this nonsense must be nipped in the bud every time it comes back slackmaster Sep 2012 #63
Umm, that's from 2003 Lurks Often Sep 2012 #66
The same bill was reintroduced in 2008 by McCarthy. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #69
Depends on how hard it is pushed in election ads Lurks Often Sep 2012 #13
Being anti-gun will lose you PA. Guns are more popular than Jesus here. If you know how popular rDigital Sep 2012 #14
"like reinstating the assault weapons ban" ellisonz Sep 2012 #15
So you don't want democrats to win? oneshooter Sep 2012 #16
think about it gejohnston Sep 2012 #17
Oh if only I understood the death spewers better... ellisonz Sep 2012 #18
that the best you can do? gejohnston Sep 2012 #19
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #20
Some of us don't need to change the subject to make a point. ellisonz Sep 2012 #21
I was not changing the subject gejohnston Sep 2012 #22
In post #17 there is no connection between the upper half of your post and your last paragraph. ellisonz Sep 2012 #23
no, gejohnston Sep 2012 #26
Wow --- maybe we should just adopt all the Republican positions so they can't attack us? ellisonz Sep 2012 #27
I'm not talking about the NRA gejohnston Sep 2012 #29
Anyone who wants to vote for the other guys because... ellisonz Sep 2012 #32
problem is, your take will be viewed as extremest by many independents gejohnston Sep 2012 #35
Many independents aren't Democrats and will never be Democrats... ellisonz Sep 2012 #39
I'll give you gejohnston Sep 2012 #44
so you don't think this is extreme? gejohnston Sep 2012 #52
I think your friends there are distorting the meaning of those words. ellisonz Sep 2012 #53
how so? gejohnston Sep 2012 #55
Your interlocutor seems to have found your questions inconvenient... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #87
He never has, and probably never will. oneshooter Sep 2012 #90
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #89
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #98
Who are you to declare that a Democrat isn't allowed to disagree with one or two items... slackmaster Sep 2012 #24
"one or two items" ellisonz Sep 2012 #25
shrinking the tent gejohnston Sep 2012 #28
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #30
You think gun control policy is "sideshow bullshit" ellisonz Sep 2012 #33
they blame the nut case gejohnston Sep 2012 #36
I'm sure you consulted with the people of Aurora on our failed gun control policy. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #38
have you? gejohnston Sep 2012 #43
The people of Aurora deserve exactly as much say on gun control policy as you and I do slackmaster Sep 2012 #62
You're very wrong but thank you for illustrating the Package Deal Fallacy slackmaster Sep 2012 #61
But yet you argue for a so-called "Pro-RKBA" view... ellisonz Sep 2012 #70
they are not unregulated gejohnston Sep 2012 #73
And now you have provided a perfect example of the Straw Man Fallacy slackmaster Sep 2012 #79
Democrats don't do lockstep. rrneck Sep 2012 #31
What do you mean by " supposedly Democratic website"? Do you believe Democrats oppose the natural, jody Sep 2012 #34
I'm the type of Democrat who doesn't have any tolerance of NRA rubbish. ellisonz Sep 2012 #37
What kind am I? gejohnston Sep 2012 #41
You seem to connect NRA with pro-RKBA Democrat. NRA has less than 5 million mbrs and perhaps 80m or jody Sep 2012 #51
I reject the intellectual construct of "pro-RKBA" ellisonz Sep 2012 #54
who defines responsible, you? gejohnston Sep 2012 #56
The arithmetic defines responsible... ellisonz Sep 2012 #57
perhaps it would be a better idea gejohnston Sep 2012 #58
"To be quite honest, I think terms like "industrialized", "developed" etc. are out dated." ellisonz Sep 2012 #59
once again, you missed the point gejohnston Sep 2012 #60
In 2008 Obama said "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear jody Sep 2012 #65
Barack Obama supports the Assault Weapons Ban. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #71
There is no legal definition in Federal law for "Assault Weapon". You claim Obama supports something jody Sep 2012 #75
What a silly argument! ellisonz Sep 2012 #76
Your reply reveals a lot about you. Have a great day and goodbye. nt jody Sep 2012 #77
You guys have been on a real snit ever since Hoyt's banishment slackmaster Sep 2012 #81
You're one to talk about "a real snit" ellisonz Sep 2012 #82
LOL! You're one of the people who never figured out what it was about. slackmaster Sep 2012 #84
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #99
quote? link? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #94
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #91
Who died and appointed you forum politruk? Euromutt Sep 2012 #40
So you're going to support obstruction of the President on this issue? n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #45
Do I support obstruction of the President? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #49
The President has been silent on the issue. Nobody here is trying to obstruct him on anything. slackmaster Sep 2012 #64
So you're saying that back when Pres. Clinton was in office... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #67
How dare you bring logic to a perfectly emotional attempted shaming? X_Digger Sep 2012 #68
Comparing civil rights issues to "gun rights" nonsense is fallacious. ellisonz Sep 2012 #72
Because the law does NOT say people aren't allowed to own such a weapon, we do have that right slackmaster Sep 2012 #80
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #92
Firearms ownership is a civil right Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #95
The self-appointed zampolits do tend to end up contradicting themselves, don't they? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #88
Nope I am going Berserker Sep 2012 #83
As far as I'm aware, the platform is written by the DNC, not the president Euromutt Sep 2012 #85
It will make only a minor difference against us. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #50
So, to get back on track gejohnston Sep 2012 #74
Exactly! About 60-70% of voters are pro-RKBA. IMO independents are 60-70% or greater pro-RKBA. That jody Sep 2012 #78
I don't think you can speculate off one issue Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #93
I think you Berserker Sep 2012 #97
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