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The Magistrate

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15. You Do Understand, Sir, Your Comments Do Not Touch Reality At a Single Point....
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:56 PM
Aug 2012

Gang members generally attack members of rival gangs, and do so by ambush, or at least in circumstances where they have some advantage of surprise. Persons who are not members and become victims of gang shooting generally are simply bystanders, struck by stray rounds or caught in the open when an exchange between armed men breaks out. Both sides, where gangs are hostile, are reasonably well armed, and so the idea the toll flows from a lack of arms in the hands of the people shot is nonesensical. Where surprise is achieved by an assailant, an assailant who intends simply to kill, whether the target is armed or not is pretty much beside the point: the man who simply steps up with gun in hand will prevail, whatever the other might have had in waistband or pocket.

Details of a pair of shootings a while ago in a former neighborhood of mine illustrate the point quite well. In the first, two groups on either side of a street which was a factional boundary exchanged shots, with one member of one group being wounded. Later that night, a van pulled up beside a group of youths congregated on the sidewalk at a usual gathering point for one faction ( the one which had had no casualty in the earlier exchange ); the van's side door was cracked open, one shot, one only, was fired at a range of about five yards, striking one youth in the head, leaving him dead on the scene, upon which the van departed instantly at some speed. The second, fatal shooting, was clearly in retaliation for the first, and the night effected a sudden shift in local boundaries, with the group that had suffered the fatality retreating several blocks. In the first incident, both sides possessed pistols, and the firing was mutual; in the second, it is almost certain some in the group possessed pistols, but had no opportunity to use them against a successful surprise attack. In neither case was a lack of weaponry on the part of the persons shot a factor, nor could it be seriously suggested that possession of arms by the person shot would have prevented the outcome.

Why do you have such an obsession with Chicago? rfranklin Aug 2012 #1
How many of those cities have banned guns? nt shadowrider Aug 2012 #2
Why do you have a problem with it? Equate Aug 2012 #3
I believe you're wrong about that holdencaufield Aug 2012 #4
What's going on recently in Chicago proves Jenoch Aug 2012 #5
They have illegal guns...can you just imagine if they had legal guns that movonne Aug 2012 #7
the murder rate would remain the same gejohnston Aug 2012 #8
Like Houston, for example? Almost the same size as Chicago, 1/2 the murder rate. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #31
Have you ever seen what melanoma can do to a person? rfranklin Aug 2012 #10
You Do Understand, Mr. Caulfield, That Your Juggled Statistics Compare Apples To Oranges.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #16
Which cities??? emilyg Aug 2012 #27
So It Is Your Contention, Sir, That Wider Ownership Of Guns Would Alter This? The Magistrate Aug 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Aug 2012 #9
My contention is merely there's an Aurora every single weekend in Chicago, yet there is shadowrider Aug 2012 #11
Except There Is Not, Sir: That Is Wretched Hyperbole The Magistrate Aug 2012 #13
Yeah yeah yeah shadowrider Aug 2012 #19
I Know, Sir: Facts Are Wretched Things For Somebody Who Thinks Gun Control Caused Hitler The Magistrate Aug 2012 #20
I don't think anyone would argue that gun control... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #21
The Technical Term For That, Sir, Is Bullshit The Magistrate Aug 2012 #22
If you're going to use satire... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #24
Nice To See The String Of Fact-Free, Logic-Less 'Rebuttals' Continued, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2012 #25
Why bother with a reply? It won't change your mind and I won't change mine. shadowrider Aug 2012 #26
Hmmmm... TPaine7 Aug 2012 #34
Correct. I have emilyg Aug 2012 #28
Well, sir, it is patently obvious that wider ownership of guns wouldn't make things any worse. S_B_Jackson Aug 2012 #14
You Do Understand, Sir, Your Comments Do Not Touch Reality At a Single Point.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #15
Wow, you don't know shit about gang violence. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #17
My Ignorance Is Legend, Sir, And Chicago My Life-Time Home.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #18
One wonders why your home has twice the murder rate of "gun-friendly" Houston... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #32
Nirvana Fallacy. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #33
What changes would you propose to remedy this situation? oneshooter Aug 2012 #29
Did he state that or are you just imagining that, sir? Clames Aug 2012 #30
Over 3 days and no answer. I would say that you have no ideas to prevent this from happining again. oneshooter Aug 2012 #35
gangs are terrorists and terrorists have mental health issues. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #12
Update: 30 shot, 6 dead since Friday evening. n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #23
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