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elleng

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1. Freedom DOES come with responsibility,
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:50 AM
Mar 2012

and I argue more than a SMALL amount of it. When a kid, we'd say, 'Its a free country.' Right, you CAN do many things, but SHOULD you?

'Known as House Bill 422, Maag's proposal would no longer require gun-carrying motorists to promptly notify police officers during a traffic stop that they are carrying guns, or mandate that they keep their hands in plain sight.

Since the Ohio legislature passed a conceal carried law in 2006, about 265,000 Ohioans have earned permits to legally carry guns. The law has not turned the Buckeye State into the Wild West, as some gun-control activists predicted.

Maag's bill, which is co-sponsored by Republican State Rep. Andrew Thompson of Marietta, will make the streets a bit more wild, as least for drivers and for cops.

Maag and supporters of the bill argue the changes are needed to protect the rights of law-abiding permit holders.

From whom?

Cops.

That's right. Cops are the problem.

Maag and supporters of the new legislation point to Canton Police Officer Daniel Harless, who lost his mind last June during a traffic stop when William E. Bartlett, a legal permit holder, tried to quickly alert Harless that he had a gun. Harless, who didn't let Bartlett finish his first sentence, verbally threatened him and arrested him.

Harless' traffic stop, caught on dashboard camera, was outrageous and went viral on YouTube. But it was an aberration. And we don't need a law to deal with Harless. His own department fired him.'

Thanks.

Freedom DOES come with responsibility, elleng Mar 2012 #1
How many times was Harless investigated for misconduct? Chuuku Davis Mar 2012 #12
A little disingenuous, no? pipoman Mar 2012 #2
streets a bit more wild, as least for drivers and for cops.....do these people really buy ileus Mar 2012 #3
What possible objection do you have to COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #4
Why? mvccd1000 Mar 2012 #5
If you don't see the difference between COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #7
Any examples of a cop being shot by a CCW at a traffic stop? DonP Mar 2012 #9
Who's going to kill a cop? The permit holder? BiggJawn Mar 2012 #26
Criminals or those with criminal intent will not obey this law (how else?).... PavePusher Mar 2012 #6
If a person doesn't obey the law COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #8
It cheapens a Constitutional Right. PavePusher Mar 2012 #11
You know, we've been through COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #18
No, I have not said anything like that. Please don't put words in my mouth. PavePusher Mar 2012 #22
This is what you posted: COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #28
What you claimed I said: PavePusher Mar 2012 #29
actually iverglas Mar 2012 #31
"what possible damage does it do to you to let a cop know you're carrying?" DonP Mar 2012 #17
Actually, I don't have a problem with it COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #19
I don't have to inform a police officer that I am carrying a weapon... spin Mar 2012 #27
Small amounts of responsibility? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #10
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #13
Every "FREEDOM" ie "RIGHT" DWC Mar 2012 #14
Absolutely right, Marine. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #20
It's the law in the State of Texas MicaelS Mar 2012 #15
As good as that info is, my opinion shadowrider Mar 2012 #16
And you're absolutely right. But the fact COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #21
How does this requirement to notify "protect the lives of cops"? n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #23
One knucklehead. He got caught. There are plenty more out there like him. shadowrider Mar 2012 #24
mark naymik is benighted. Does a police officer ever assume someone is not armed at traffic stops? aikoaiko Mar 2012 #25
in fact, no right "carries" any responsibility iverglas Mar 2012 #30
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