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61. I'd be freaking amazed
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:58 PM
Feb 2012

Since all the sources I can find on the web directly contradict your statement about 80 years of voting representation - at least in Congress. Source, please.

As for the other inaccuracies in your post:
1. The 23rd amendment, granting DC 3 votes in presidential elections, passed in 1961 under Kennedy. I don't remember a war in 1961...the 23rd was proposed by Congress and ratified by the requisite number of states. Still not a constitutional convention.
2. there was an attempt in 1978 to get an amendment passed to confer statehood on DC. It failed miserably - only 16 states out of 38 signed on. STILL not a constitutional convention.
3. In 1982, DC residents approved a so-called constitutional convention and drafted a state constitution, attempting to repeat the steps taken by other states when they were still territories. However, Congress never approved it, and so it has no force.
4. You're partially correct on federal taxes. Residents of the various territories pay taxes under the same tax structure as the U.S., using the same forms we do. However, they are considered to be a separate taxing jurisdiction so all tax revenues go to the local government.

1.5 out of 5. You're not doing so good.

Assuming you weren't born in DC and have stayed there all your life, did you not know when you moved to DC that you wouldn't have complete representation? You do get all the other benefits of U.S. citizenship, so trying to give the ipression that DC is no better than a colony is specious. If you really feel that you're being shortchanged, your only current option is to relocate. It will most likely take a constitutional amendment for DC to be granted statehood. Based on the results from the last attempt in 1978, I don't like your chances.

Of course, there is another option - let Maryland take back the land it originally gave up. That way, you would be a Marylander. Yippee!

In the meantime, on the original topic:
The Supreme Court in Heller vs. DC held, unanimously, that the 2nd amendment is an individual right. The point of disagreement was on what level of regulation abridges that right. In McDonald vs. Chicago, the 2nd was incorporated under the 14th amendment, meaning that it applies to all states. (The Heller decision applied it specifically to DC)

Anything else?

What a crock! They lost they should pay! one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #1
My personal favorite ... too much for the taxpayers! DonP Feb 2012 #2
My DC Vote is Pay Them fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #12
I don't picture gejohnston Feb 2012 #18
They Did Both fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #22
What Are You Talking About fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #3
They are also paying for gejohnston Feb 2012 #4
What am I talking about? burf Feb 2012 #5
Hypocrisy? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #6
That pesky Constitution thingie does get in the way sometimes, doesn't it? n/t burf Feb 2012 #7
Pesky? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #8
I guess that means a state could start ignoring the Thirteenth Amendment if they wanted to, yes? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #37
It's All Toilet Paper fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #40
I sure do. But you don't seem to.... n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #49
So, it's 'states rights' then? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #73
You're welcome DonP Feb 2012 #9
Right..... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #10
You're gonna whine and bitch about living in DC and not having voting rights in every thread? rl6214 Feb 2012 #72
PS.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #11
however gejohnston Feb 2012 #13
Gainfully Employed? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #15
*Again* with the genetic fallacy. Anyway, it doesn't matter-rights are rights. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #19
Who Said Anyone fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #24
I don't play that game gejohnston Feb 2012 #21
Oh Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #26
Apparently Mr. Heller wasn't supposed to assume the Constitution applies everywhere. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #16
You Seem to Think It Matters fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #20
DC has good cause for complaint. That doesn't legitimize its stance on guns. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #29
Exemption? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #30
In your view, are there any *other* SC decisions that shouldn't apply to DC? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #33
Shouldn't Apply? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #34
Amendment process. Use it. PavePusher Feb 2012 #38
We Consent? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #39
Please elucidate on this "property right" you'd have to "give up". PavePusher Feb 2012 #48
Sell My Home fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #55
Who said "sell"? Rent it out. Also, as I stated before: "Amendment Process". PavePusher Feb 2012 #58
Right fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #59
If DC had recognized his rights to begin with, you'd have no legal costs to complain about. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #14
LOL fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #17
start a petition gejohnston Feb 2012 #23
Get a History Lesson fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #28
DC's legit beef about lack of representation isn't a "Get Out Of Recognizing Constitutional Rights.. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #25
Not Even Close fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #27
Virginians apparently didn't want interracial marriages in 'their' state. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #31
Virginia fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #32
The Legitmacy of Federal Supremacy fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #35
I take it you haven't studied U.S Government tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #36
Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #41
It seems as though that move somewhere else is an answer burf Feb 2012 #60
I'd be freaking amazed tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #61
Wasn't that one of Fenty's arguments? one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #63
I would solve the problem by reducing the size of the District MicaelS Feb 2012 #67
There is a second FFL in DC one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #42
You have got to be kidding me! burf Feb 2012 #44
Don't Ask Me fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #46
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gejohnston Feb 2012 #47
Who Cares fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #54
His license status is public record one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #50
Could It Be fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #52
Could care less? So, you care then? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #74
If you supported your elected officials one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #43
Nice fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #45
"Yes it was worth every penny." To loose? PavePusher Feb 2012 #51
We Lost? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #53
So who are these "masters" who have told you that burf Feb 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #57
Dear fightthegodfightnow, tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #62
"not one single gun dealer is independently operating a gun store on private property in DC." HALO141 Feb 2012 #70
That's it, let's break cities financially who don't want guns in public. Hoyt Feb 2012 #64
BS Suits? NaturalHigh Feb 2012 #65
Because some yahoo filed a law suit that got the 5 right wing Justices to vote the NRA way. Hoyt Feb 2012 #66
And who so provocatively attracted that law suit? SteveW Feb 2012 #68
You didn't read the dissenting justices opinions did you? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #75
Stevens and the other three who agreed with his dissent didn't buy into the NRA's view. Hoyt Feb 2012 #76
Didn't they? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #77
I am fine with that. Keep them in your homes - although with some restrictions on numbers and type. Hoyt Feb 2012 #78
The 2nd doesn't appear to allow for that, and the dissent leaned heavily upon Miller. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #79
IIRC, gejohnston Feb 2012 #80
That is correct, the entire Miller case defendant side was unrepresented DonP Feb 2012 #81
Miller was a no show, too. He was dead. MicaelS Feb 2012 #82
The "procedural irregularities" one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #84
Why? oneshooter Feb 2012 #83
Funny how the tune changes with the shoe on the other foot, huh? DonP Feb 2012 #71
OK, where do I sign up? n/t HALO141 Feb 2012 #69
You miss the whole point, don't you? one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #85
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