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Gun Control & RKBA

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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:02 PM Feb 2012

Attn: American Gun Lovers - The Blessings of Civilization Are Required! [View all]



Your fellow human beings in Egypt and India need your efforts in the pedagogy of the penultimate doctrine of the virtuous nature of supreme firepower! Pack your bags, there is no time to waste, the gifts of guns are needed in these countries to thwart a blossoming criminal element intent on ravaging the decencies of good men! Pack your bags, sport your holsters, obtain your passport from the liberal State Department, and ship out to sunny lands to offer up the knowledge that you hold so close to your heart: more guns are the answer!

Rise in crime intensifies unease in once-safe Egypt
Egyptians say they don't recognize the country now, a place with carjackings, soccer melees and brazen bank robberies.
By Jeffrey Fleishman and Amro Hassan, Los Angeles Times
February 20, 2012, 6:46 p.m.
Reporting from Cairo—

The headlines reflect a previously unknown cruelty: a woman gunned down in a rich Cairo neighborhood, a rash of carjackings, a deadly soccer riot, a stream of smuggled arms that have given muscle to criminal gangs once easily outgunned by police.

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Soldiers guard streets but few people feel safe. Police have largely returned to duty after months of work slowdowns, but their presence is sporadic; they appear and disappear at whim. Many Egyptians wonder whether security forces are complacent about or complicit in the mayhem around them, a sense of unease felt by fruit vendors and bankers alike.

"This is an Egypt I do not know," said Tarek Fouad, a sales manager at an international corporation. He said he saw this bewilderment in the faces at the funeral for a relative, who was shot in a January carjacking on the affluent outskirts of Cairo.

The car he was driving wasn't expensive, "but they murdered him to get it," Fouad said. "We kept hearing about such crimes in the news, but now they are common. We're having bank robberies, which is another thing we only saw in Hollywood movies and never, ever imagined they would happen in Egypt."

More: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-unease-20120221,0,4205913.story


Gun culture spreads in India
Indians own about 40 million guns, second only to the U.S. Rising incomes, along with crime and fear of terrorist attacks, have fueled firearms purchases.
By Mark Magnier, Los Angeles Times
February 20, 2012, 5:46 p.m.
Reporting from Chandigarh, India—

Vikramjit Singh stands in the parking lot of a posh club in Chandigarh discussing one of his favorite subjects: guns. He owns 10 or so; he can't remember exactly. They may come in handy if the old family feud resurfaces.

In a Hatfield-versus-McCoy saga that haunts the 25-year-old student, his grandfather was shot to death here in the western state of Punjab and his father imprisoned for a retaliatory murder. Although the two clans signed a truce a few years back, Singh isn't taking any chances.

"Having a gun 24/7 is a necessity," he says. "You don't know if their relatives will crop up again. And an expensive weapon is a status symbol. You can't flash just any old gun around."


India, the land of Mohandas Gandhi, known for its Hindu belief in the sanctity of life, is anything but gun-shy. Rising incomes have made high-end weapons a new form of bling, and rising crime and memories of Mumbai's 2008 terrorist attack have left Indians eager to be armed and dangerous.

More: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-india-guns-20120221,0,977361.story


I simply cannot stand by and watch a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States come under attack from those who either can't understand it, don't like the sound of it, or find themselves too philosophically squeamish to see why it remains the first among equals: Because it is the right we turn to when all else fails. That's why the Second Amendment is America's first freedom.

I remember a decade ago at my first annual meeting in St. Louis. After my banquet remarks to a packed house, they presented me with a very special gift. It was a splendid hand-crafted musket. I admit I was overcome by the power of its simple symbolism. I looked at that musket and I thought of all of the lives given for that freedom. I thought of all of the lives saved with that freedom. It dawned on me that the doorway to all freedoms is framed by muskets.


- Charlton Heston

SPREAD THE FREEDOM AMERICAN GUN LOVERS!
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Charlton Heston = Moron bowens43 Feb 2012 #1
A hero at FR safeinOhio Feb 2012 #2
honestly -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #6
What's FR? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #66
Oh my... ellisonz Feb 2012 #71
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #72
What a perfect solution! The Amerikan way! Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #3
Plenty of goblins here at home that need taken care of first. ileus Feb 2012 #4
who gives a shit what Moses says? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #5
Looks as though our policy in Egypt is burf Feb 2012 #7
Well, the opening paragraph was entertaining. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #8
fyi Broderick Feb 2012 #9
Aww thanks! ellisonz Feb 2012 #10
no problem Broderick Feb 2012 #11
cute. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #20
odd ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #18
Just letting the op know it was alerted on Broderick Feb 2012 #35
and yet my thread was locked for questions regarding the same issue.... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #37
I think it is merely luck of the draw Broderick Feb 2012 #39
uhm .... no, THE HOST LOCKED my thread and told me to go to META to discuss a jury verdict Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #40
sorry I wasn't aware of your particular situation Broderick Feb 2012 #42
it is my understanding that it needs to passed along in H&M. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #45
Only if there is a question about it or a complaint Broderick Feb 2012 #47
in public forum when a PM would have sufficed ... of course that it your right and indeed, it is my Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #49
If that floats your boat Broderick Feb 2012 #51
whatever trips your trigger Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #52
LOL Broderick Feb 2012 #58
peace Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #60
If same jury that ruled on this gejohnston Feb 2012 #41
no, THIS IS A HOSTING ISSUE Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #44
absolute terms gejohnston Feb 2012 #12
Do I get the feeling that you believe that all gunowners hope for the chance... spin Feb 2012 #13
Would you deny that some do? ellisonz Feb 2012 #14
If the bad guy was a active mass murdering child molesting arsonist rapist home invader? Remmah2 Feb 2012 #15
It's a shame that you didn't watch the video... spin Feb 2012 #16
Yeah - I got better things to do with a half-hour... ellisonz Feb 2012 #17
like what? gazing into your crystal ball and reading people's minds. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #19
Hey spin gazed first... ellisonz Feb 2012 #23
I have said many times that they are a tool. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #24
Well if they are tools... ellisonz Feb 2012 #25
you know I do not alert. we have had this conversation before. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #27
Well then I don't understand your charge that "it borders on ToS violation on several counts." ellisonz Feb 2012 #28
functionally gejohnston Feb 2012 #29
you do realize what 157 votes mean in the scheme of things, right? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #43
That is just a shotgun, what difference does it make that it has plastic instead of wood? rl6214 Feb 2012 #100
It's scaaaaary! Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #101
Very astute. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #48
Guns have spread death and oppression for centuries. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #63
Guns have also saved lives and enabled freedom for centuries. n/t Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #67
So why so much objection to reasonable gun control? ellisonz Feb 2012 #68
The last time we did that.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #69
Seems the Brits had some sense... ellisonz Feb 2012 #70
I'm all for reasonable gun control. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #80
"But I'm sure many folks would be happy to sell firearms to anyone with the cash to buy them." ellisonz Feb 2012 #81
If you want guns, yes, you have to purchase them. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #84
So it's all about the money. ellisonz Feb 2012 #86
Yes, buying guns is about money. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #88
That would be people. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #112
IF guns are just a tool, why isn't there safeinOhio Feb 2012 #30
It is stymieing how many apparently smart people are so ignorant.. pipoman Feb 2012 #31
"apparently smart people are so ignorant.." safeinOhio Feb 2012 #33
ah, but the inverse is that the hammer is already defined as a tool Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #56
Agreed, even though safeinOhio Feb 2012 #57
~ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #59
The Cohen brothers are a couple of my film-making heroes. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #113
Nobody is claiming a hammer isn't a tool.. pipoman Feb 2012 #73
how about the NAHB? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #38
IF you wish to call a CCW holder, safeinOhio Feb 2012 #53
please don't call me late for supper. thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #54
Probably because there is no concerted effort to strip people of their hammers. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #50
No paradox, merely complexity. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #111
We do indeed live in a society that glorifies violence... spin Feb 2012 #34
And gun owners are hardly immune from that... ellisonz Feb 2012 #61
Before the Dirty Harry movies, .44 magnum revolvers... spin Feb 2012 #74
IIRC gejohnston Feb 2012 #76
I havn't watched the entire series... spin Feb 2012 #78
lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #82
In the cases I described... spin Feb 2012 #85
"They were not members of the gun culture." ellisonz Feb 2012 #87
Plenty of people are intestested in the marital arts... spin Feb 2012 #90
A lof of it depends on your definition of membership in the culture... ellisonz Feb 2012 #91
While the people at the range that I consider to be part of the gun culture... spin Feb 2012 #93
I for one question the gun obsession... ellisonz Feb 2012 #94
I find shooting challeging... spin Feb 2012 #98
"And now we will pound our swords into plowshares and proceed with peace." - Cincinnatus ellisonz Feb 2012 #99
I have two cousins visiting this week... Clames Feb 2012 #115
This stops being fun for millions of Americans every year. WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #119
Those who suffer from gun violence... ellisonz Apr 2012 #120
So are you saying that..... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #122
Yes. ellisonz Apr 2012 #123
How long do you think this has been going on? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #124
"Gun culture" has always seemed, to me, a very loose term. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #92
By my definition I am currently a retired member of the gun culture... spin Feb 2012 #95
That's a very narrow definition that you're using. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #97
Yes, my definition is indeed very limited... spin Feb 2012 #104
"Good example of the foolishness that permeates much of the gun culture." rl6214 Feb 2012 #102
Plain hokum. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #103
I remember the first time my wife shot a 44 mag... ileus Feb 2012 #89
Ouch! (n/t) spin Feb 2012 #96
There is nothing romantic about hammers.... Clames Feb 2012 #21
Really? ellisonz Feb 2012 #22
Who's comparing guns to hammers? pipoman Feb 2012 #32
When the claim is made that guns are simply tools... ellisonz Feb 2012 #64
Maybe pipoman Feb 2012 #75
Wrong... DanTex Feb 2012 #77
Then why no measurable reduction pipoman Feb 2012 #79
The fact that the US with its lax gun laws has by far the highest homicide rates DanTex Feb 2012 #83
Just because a particular style of weapon is obsolete or out-of-style..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #36
Better watch out for the scary guy carrying a hammer. ellisonz Feb 2012 #65
Do a google search for "murders committed by hammers"... spin Feb 2012 #105
You actually just presented a good argument for better gun control. ellisonz Feb 2012 #106
So if firearms were banned... spin Feb 2012 #107
Who said anything about ban? ellisonz Feb 2012 #108
If we had better enforcement of existing laws... spin Feb 2012 #109
It's not the gun control movement that is holding up a bill like that. ellisonz Feb 2012 #110
So this whole myth thing you posted... Clames Feb 2012 #117
I think you need to re-read those blog posts in full. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #118
How is that an argument for gun control? Callisto32 Feb 2012 #114
Hammers probably kill more people each year than the gun in your cartoon. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #55
Clames, I have to disagree ... I find all those tools beautiful in their own right. I appreciate Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #26
More guns do not always equal less crime. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #46
India & Egypt discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #62
Hillary Clinton says they're going to get weapons on their own. ileus Feb 2012 #116
India has started their version of our NRA, called Indians for Guns. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #121
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