Gun Control & RKBA

daleanime

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113. No, failure to give counter proposal means you don't want to do anything...

Reply to blueridge3210 (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 21, 2015, 09:33 PM

Mar 2015

that and setting insane standards for results. But please continue your hair care.

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Which of these proposals could have prevented Sandy Hook? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 OP

I don't think smaller mag sizes would have prevented Sandy Hook, but they could have lowered Electric Monk Mar 2015 #1

As I noted, Lanza was changing magazines before they were exhausted. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #2

"sometimes shooting as few as 15 shots..." Thats five 'free' shots he got compared to reloading Electric Monk Mar 2015 #3

"I also think his mom should have kept her guns locked in a safe without Adam knowing the combo." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #4

Cho at Virginia Tech used 10 Rnd magazines... virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Mar 2015 #6

"giving the teachers a slightly better chance to tackle the shooter or help children escape." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #90

About Columbine... Jenoch Mar 2015 #7

Perhaps emphasis on safety from NRA instead of more guns. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #8

that is reaction to the prohibition lobby gejohnston Mar 2015 #10

The NRA is the gold standard for gun safety training hack89 Mar 2015 #17

There are lots of gun owners who do not practice basic gun safety. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #19

That's where laws requiring training come into play. hack89 Mar 2015 #20

As I stated more emphasis should be placed on safety, NRA spends lots of money Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #21

Could you please provide the actual dollar amounts they spend on each? Thanks. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #22

When it comes to gun safety it doesn't matter, safety should be first and foremost, Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #24

Political donations can't be used for safety training hack89 Mar 2015 #25

For every child who is killed it cuts off a future purchaser, this should be considered. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #27

That is a pretty stupid thing to say hack89 Mar 2015 #74

explain how it is stupid Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #86

Because the implication behind it is unwarranted and stupid. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #89

How much do the "gun safety" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #26

I don't have any idea, apparently the NRA safety programs are not reaching enough gum owners. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #28

I Am glad at least they make an attempt Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #29

Consider the Shooting Sports Foundation's "Child Safe" campaign to secure firearms... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #33

That is a great group Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #48

A year ago or so sarisataka Mar 2015 #30

Great for you Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #49

How about no guns in homes of families with children Politicalboi Mar 2015 #9

that is a propaganda buzz term gejohnston Mar 2015 #11

Let's see ... Straw Man Mar 2015 #12

whats "military style"? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #14

Whatever it's needed to be to add one more thing to the ban list. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #15

Features like triggers and firing pins ileus Mar 2015 #31

...detachable magazines, collapsable stocks, bayonet lugs... Electric Monk Mar 2015 #32

flash hiders, pistol grips, and things the point up. ileus Mar 2015 #34

Aside from appearance, what, exactly, is the issue with bayonet lugs? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #36

I've yet to hear any argument for having them, other than for close quarters combat Electric Monk Mar 2015 #38

They're legal. beevul Mar 2015 #39

Like I said, the argument for having them is "well, I want it, because I want it". nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #40

That would be the Same argument for most stuff. NutmegYankee Mar 2015 #45

After looking... beevul Mar 2015 #46

When has a bayonet lug Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #50

I honestly do not understand why you would want one on your gun, unless for close quarters combat Electric Monk Mar 2015 #51

It is standard on many weapons and Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #52

Ok then, so why is it standard on many weapons? (and I think I know this answer) nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #53

Just so I understand, why does it matter? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #54

He is afraid to answer that question Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #56

This sub-thread started with you asking what is "military style", and bayonet lugs are part of Electric Monk Mar 2015 #57

And I will keep asking my simple question also in this subthread Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #58

Please point to where I said they should be banned? Electric Monk Mar 2015 #60

You say they make a rifle military style Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #62

Politicalboi did Electric Monk Mar 2015 #64

Thanks, glad you show some sense Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #67

All of which points to the conclusion that ... Straw Man Mar 2015 #79

well by the logic of the great EM Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #83

I don't know if "afraid" is precisely the right characterization of his motivation discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #63

Very possible Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #65

I'm sure it some kind of miscommunication discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #66

It is much easier to make one common part for Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #55

That's all the justification I need. GGJohn Mar 2015 #85

Found one... sarisataka Mar 2015 #44

WWII-era rifle? Straw Man Mar 2015 #47

What extraordinary threat blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #41

Well, without detachable magazines, Adam Lanza would have killed far fewer people Electric Monk Mar 2015 #42

Pure speculation on your part. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #43

Pure speculation on your part that he'd have killed just as many as easily with only his other guns. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #59

Nope. (nt) blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #61

Have you forgotten VT? beevul Mar 2015 #68

Ok, so if your argument is it makes no difference, then you'd have no problem with mag size limits Electric Monk Mar 2015 #69

WTF kind of logic is that? beevul Mar 2015 #70

You're the one saying mag size makes no diff. I think it would. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #71

the talking point is actually much older than the the NRA gejohnston Mar 2015 #72

Ok, thanks for the quote, but back to the topic of mag size limits... Electric Monk Mar 2015 #73

I think this subthread is about VT Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #80

It's about mag size and reloading. Loughner was tackled while reloading during the Giffords shooting Electric Monk Mar 2015 #99

He also had a magizine that jammed Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #101

limit the cops? gejohnston Mar 2015 #91

I use the 20 round USGI magazines Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #95

I'll ignore the insults, and further your speeding analogy. When you speed, it becomes everyones Electric Monk Mar 2015 #100

What insults? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #102

At this point, I'm sorry I said anything to billh, asking him to be less rude. That was a mistake. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #104

That was the right thing and I commend you for it Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #106

no insults, gejohnston Mar 2015 #107

"If people make the choice to act like outlaws" beevul Mar 2015 #92

Not lumped in the same category as murderers. More like speeders on the highway. If caught Electric Monk Mar 2015 #98

Governments can do anything if there is no Bill of Rights hack89 Mar 2015 #108

Amendments can be amended. See the 18th and 21st. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #110

True. It won't be amended in our lifetimes though. hack89 Mar 2015 #111

You can't buy guns with collapsible stocks hack89 Mar 2015 #75

"fit the rifle ergonomically to the shooter" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #82

Lanza could have killed all those kids with the shotgun and handgun he had hack89 Mar 2015 #18

To me the most obvious solution YarnAddict Mar 2015 #13

I sympathize with your view, but due process in court is a fundamental right... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #37

Only pro gun folks are interested in preventing SH type events, control groups need more ileus Mar 2015 #16

I will remind everyone that autism is a neurological disorder, not a mental illness Lurks Often Mar 2015 #23

Suggested in the OP, grants-in-aid to schools to improve school security... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #35

There may not be one thing My Good Babushka Mar 2015 #76

Right we get it.... daleanime Mar 2015 #77

Maybe we could start a federal program of free wi-fi for potentially violent mental health patients. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #78

We get it... daleanime Mar 2015 #81

We get it. You didn't actually read the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #84

You lay out your frame work in one sentence..... daleanime Mar 2015 #87

"I reject the idea that there's nothing to be done." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #88

Nobody here claims "there is nothing to be done". beevul Mar 2015 #93

Seems to be a recurring theme amongst the pro-control side. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #94

very true nt Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #96

Yes, thinking is a recurring problem.... daleanime Mar 2015 #114

No, failure to give counter proposal means you don't want to do anything... daleanime Mar 2015 #113

Ummm, no. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #117

The OP deal with nothing but those 'avenues we will not support'.... daleanime Mar 2015 #112

I'll make it plainer for you. beevul Mar 2015 #115

Yes, I know what the OP deals with, I've read it multiple times now.... daleanime Mar 2015 #116

" the standard it asks for any action is ridiculous" beevul Mar 2015 #119

Sorry... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #120

You're being blatantly dishonest. Post #88 recaps those proposals in the OP I believe would work and Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #118

Let's look at this logically sarisataka Mar 2015 #97

Since no gun control actions work as you upaloopa Mar 2015 #103

Where did I say none of the proposed actions work? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #105

No. It says that some work and others don't hack89 Mar 2015 #109