Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

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12. So the fact that the "what about nukes?" argument is absurd how does that relate to

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 05:09 PM

Feb 2015

say, African Americans using WW2 trophy weapons to fend off the KKK?

Was their exercise of their right to self-defense somehow invalidated by the absence of nuclear weapons in their arsenal?

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As long as the Government has guns so should the people. [View all] WDIM Feb 2015 OP

Who exactly is "the Government" that you speak of? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #1

okay lets narrow it down to the US government WDIM Feb 2015 #6

"Or are they your fellow citizens?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #7

Yeah! gcomeau Feb 2015 #2

Actually, you can buy tanks. Pretty easily if you have the coin. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #3

Aircraft carrier, no. Nuke? For a while. gcomeau Feb 2015 #4

If someone has malicious enough intent, repealing the 2A isn't going to stop them from Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #9

Of course it's a silly argument. That's kind of the point. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #11

So the fact that the "what about nukes?" argument is absurd how does that relate to Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #12

Sigh... gcomeau Feb 2015 #16

Actually, the OP says "guns." The OP differentiates guns from WMDs. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19

And my response to the OP gcomeau Feb 2015 #20

You're attempting to falsely conflate all forms of conflict with wars of annihilation. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #23

No, you already did that. I just pointed it out. gcomeau Feb 2015 #26

You certainly do applaud the state loud and long. Unfortunately it makes it harder to hear when Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #30

Oh I have no illusions about the conduct of the state. gcomeau Feb 2015 #32

then WDIM Feb 2015 #40

Because the people LET IT. gcomeau Feb 2015 #41

The people let it? WDIM Feb 2015 #46

You mean like.. gcomeau Feb 2015 #47

no we need to go beyond elections WDIM Feb 2015 #51

That's what the law says in your idealized fantasy world. Not reality. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #53

how things should be not how things are. WDIM Feb 2015 #59

So... gcomeau Feb 2015 #77

ok those are constitutional powers WDIM Feb 2015 #82

So is the ability of the government to pass all those additional laws. gcomeau Feb 2015 #87

the point is how the law is applied WDIM Feb 2015 #88

Again... gcomeau Feb 2015 #92

"But I am not under the childish impression that the state is not the people." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #50

I referred to a subset of the people as yahoos with shotguns actually. gcomeau Feb 2015 #54

"I referred to a subset of the people as yahoos with shotguns actually." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #56

I prefer the Advil liqui-gels for... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #42

They say laughter is the best medicine. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #67

I suppose discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #72

Gee...if only they had gunz. stone space Feb 2015 #62

The pig with the spray can is the guy you want to arrest the student who chooses to defend herself. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #64

good example WDIM Feb 2015 #65

Would gunz have helped? stone space Feb 2015 #66

oh it would of been a blood bath WDIM Feb 2015 #71

But you seem to want people to have gunz. stone space Feb 2015 #73

yeah WDIM Feb 2015 #74

Why would you give... stone space Feb 2015 #75

there is none. WDIM Feb 2015 #78

So long as the government... stone space Feb 2015 #79

they shouldnt WDIM Feb 2015 #80

But you want people to have gunz. stone space Feb 2015 #81

then lets take guns away from the gov. WDIM Feb 2015 #83

Why do you want people to have gunz? stone space Feb 2015 #84

honestly WDIM Feb 2015 #85

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. stone space Feb 2015 #86

i can walk, chew gum, and type on du WDIM Feb 2015 #89

No need to arm people to fight government arms. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #91

What about Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #96

If you own a gun... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #98

It is an interesting mindset where a person or group of persons argues Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #99

You have to admire the will to carry on... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #100

It's a lot easier if it's legal. stone space Feb 2015 #55

Austin Powers was just a movie, dude. There are no supervillains. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #57

Would you legalize private nukes? (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #58

Only governments have the logistical means for producing WMDs. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #60

But if the US government has nukes, should... stone space Feb 2015 #61

"That's the question relevant to this thread." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #63

the government shouldnt have nukes. WDIM Feb 2015 #69

Not the point. stone space Feb 2015 #70

all wmds should be illegal WDIM Feb 2015 #8

But they're *not* illegal for the government to own. gcomeau Feb 2015 #10

Governments make their own laws at their leisure and they disregard them just as easily. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #13

Uh-huh... gcomeau Feb 2015 #15

The OP is saying and I am echoing the observation that all governments tend towards Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #21

That tendency has never been countered... gcomeau Feb 2015 #22

People have repeatedly defended themselves; in America too -- in the modern era even. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #24

a bunch of yahoos with shotguns WDIM Feb 2015 #28

Allow me to clarify. gcomeau Feb 2015 #31

i never said it was for protecting against the government WDIM Feb 2015 #36

But Unicorn was when you jumped in in their defense. -eom. gcomeau Feb 2015 #38

"The people do not need nukes to exercise their right to self-defense " Politicalboi Feb 2015 #39

Start small. Use a grenade for home defense. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #45

actually my argument is about guns WDIM Feb 2015 #17

I know. gcomeau Feb 2015 #18

guns and wmds are worlds apart. WDIM Feb 2015 #25

I knew you'd have more fun in the gungeon than in GCRA Electric Monk Feb 2015 #27

the only way we will ever have peace. nt WDIM Feb 2015 #34

I know that. In magnitude of killing power. gcomeau Feb 2015 #29

thats like a republican saying.. WDIM Feb 2015 #35

It is nothing like that. gcomeau Feb 2015 #37

no nukes for the government WDIM Feb 2015 #43

Or no guns for the people. gcomeau Feb 2015 #44

hopefully WDIM Feb 2015 #48

The U.S. Marines maybe upaloopa Feb 2015 #5

take your best shot Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #14

still needs fuel gejohnston Feb 2015 #68

You think an AR-15 couldn't bring down an Apache? GGJohn Feb 2015 #90

WOLVERINES!!! Electric Monk Feb 2015 #93

I used to fly Apaches, as a pilot, I damn well knew GGJohn Feb 2015 #97

Maybe this is what he meant. oneshooter Feb 2015 #102

The Government has nukes Politicalboi Feb 2015 #33

As a 9/11 troofer you have long argued that the government perpatrated the events of 9/11 Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #52

Don't you know that guns with killer magclipizinebullet holders kill people??? ileus Feb 2015 #49

As long as the government has Nuclear warheads....shouldn't you too? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #76

You are, of course, correct. And, the people who called you nuts are the nutty ones. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #94

Remember the Waco standoff? That didn't turn out very well for the Branch Davidians, did it. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #95

Waco was a gun grabber's wet dream hack89 Feb 2015 #101

And Lon Horiuchi has no reason to be less than completely candid and truthful discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #103

guns and rules draytontiffanie Feb 2015 #104