Gun Control & RKBA

WDIM

(1,662 posts) Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:31 PM Feb 2015

As long as the Government has guns so should the people. [View all]

I was accused of being nuts for making this basic argument.

Why is that so hard to understand. We have a government of the people by the people for the people. There is nothing that gives the government the right to exempt itself from its own laws. The government is not above the rule of law and is not above the people. The people rule this government and if the government inacts laws then the government should be the first to obey these laws.

I believe all weapons of mass murder should be wiped off the face of the earth. But this will never happen as long as our governments are producing and purchasing these weapons.

Disarm everybody or disarm nobody. Allowing a government to have power over the people instead of people having power over the government is a short road to tyranny.

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As long as the Government has guns so should the people. [View all] WDIM Feb 2015 OP

Who exactly is "the Government" that you speak of? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #1

okay lets narrow it down to the US government WDIM Feb 2015 #6

"Or are they your fellow citizens?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #7

Yeah! gcomeau Feb 2015 #2

Actually, you can buy tanks. Pretty easily if you have the coin. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #3

Aircraft carrier, no. Nuke? For a while. gcomeau Feb 2015 #4

If someone has malicious enough intent, repealing the 2A isn't going to stop them from Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #9

Of course it's a silly argument. That's kind of the point. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #11

So the fact that the "what about nukes?" argument is absurd how does that relate to Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #12

Sigh... gcomeau Feb 2015 #16

Actually, the OP says "guns." The OP differentiates guns from WMDs. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19

And my response to the OP gcomeau Feb 2015 #20

You're attempting to falsely conflate all forms of conflict with wars of annihilation. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #23

No, you already did that. I just pointed it out. gcomeau Feb 2015 #26

You certainly do applaud the state loud and long. Unfortunately it makes it harder to hear when Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #30

Oh I have no illusions about the conduct of the state. gcomeau Feb 2015 #32

then WDIM Feb 2015 #40

Because the people LET IT. gcomeau Feb 2015 #41

The people let it? WDIM Feb 2015 #46

You mean like.. gcomeau Feb 2015 #47

no we need to go beyond elections WDIM Feb 2015 #51

That's what the law says in your idealized fantasy world. Not reality. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #53

how things should be not how things are. WDIM Feb 2015 #59

So... gcomeau Feb 2015 #77

ok those are constitutional powers WDIM Feb 2015 #82

So is the ability of the government to pass all those additional laws. gcomeau Feb 2015 #87

the point is how the law is applied WDIM Feb 2015 #88

Again... gcomeau Feb 2015 #92

"But I am not under the childish impression that the state is not the people." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #50

I referred to a subset of the people as yahoos with shotguns actually. gcomeau Feb 2015 #54

"I referred to a subset of the people as yahoos with shotguns actually." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #56

I prefer the Advil liqui-gels for... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #42

They say laughter is the best medicine. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #67

I suppose discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #72

Gee...if only they had gunz. stone space Feb 2015 #62

The pig with the spray can is the guy you want to arrest the student who chooses to defend herself. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #64

good example WDIM Feb 2015 #65

Would gunz have helped? stone space Feb 2015 #66

oh it would of been a blood bath WDIM Feb 2015 #71

But you seem to want people to have gunz. stone space Feb 2015 #73

yeah WDIM Feb 2015 #74

Why would you give... stone space Feb 2015 #75

there is none. WDIM Feb 2015 #78

So long as the government... stone space Feb 2015 #79

they shouldnt WDIM Feb 2015 #80

But you want people to have gunz. stone space Feb 2015 #81

then lets take guns away from the gov. WDIM Feb 2015 #83

Why do you want people to have gunz? stone space Feb 2015 #84

honestly WDIM Feb 2015 #85

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. stone space Feb 2015 #86

i can walk, chew gum, and type on du WDIM Feb 2015 #89

No need to arm people to fight government arms. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #91

What about Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #96

If you own a gun... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #98

It is an interesting mindset where a person or group of persons argues Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #99

You have to admire the will to carry on... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #100

It's a lot easier if it's legal. stone space Feb 2015 #55

Austin Powers was just a movie, dude. There are no supervillains. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #57

Would you legalize private nukes? (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #58

Only governments have the logistical means for producing WMDs. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #60

But if the US government has nukes, should... stone space Feb 2015 #61

"That's the question relevant to this thread." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #63

the government shouldnt have nukes. WDIM Feb 2015 #69

Not the point. stone space Feb 2015 #70

all wmds should be illegal WDIM Feb 2015 #8

But they're *not* illegal for the government to own. gcomeau Feb 2015 #10

Governments make their own laws at their leisure and they disregard them just as easily. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #13

Uh-huh... gcomeau Feb 2015 #15

The OP is saying and I am echoing the observation that all governments tend towards Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #21

That tendency has never been countered... gcomeau Feb 2015 #22

People have repeatedly defended themselves; in America too -- in the modern era even. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #24

a bunch of yahoos with shotguns WDIM Feb 2015 #28

Allow me to clarify. gcomeau Feb 2015 #31

i never said it was for protecting against the government WDIM Feb 2015 #36

But Unicorn was when you jumped in in their defense. -eom. gcomeau Feb 2015 #38

"The people do not need nukes to exercise their right to self-defense " Politicalboi Feb 2015 #39

Start small. Use a grenade for home defense. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #45

actually my argument is about guns WDIM Feb 2015 #17

I know. gcomeau Feb 2015 #18

guns and wmds are worlds apart. WDIM Feb 2015 #25

I knew you'd have more fun in the gungeon than in GCRA Electric Monk Feb 2015 #27

the only way we will ever have peace. nt WDIM Feb 2015 #34

I know that. In magnitude of killing power. gcomeau Feb 2015 #29

thats like a republican saying.. WDIM Feb 2015 #35

It is nothing like that. gcomeau Feb 2015 #37

no nukes for the government WDIM Feb 2015 #43

Or no guns for the people. gcomeau Feb 2015 #44

hopefully WDIM Feb 2015 #48

The U.S. Marines maybe upaloopa Feb 2015 #5

take your best shot Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #14

still needs fuel gejohnston Feb 2015 #68

You think an AR-15 couldn't bring down an Apache? GGJohn Feb 2015 #90

WOLVERINES!!! Electric Monk Feb 2015 #93

I used to fly Apaches, as a pilot, I damn well knew GGJohn Feb 2015 #97

Maybe this is what he meant. oneshooter Feb 2015 #102

The Government has nukes Politicalboi Feb 2015 #33

As a 9/11 troofer you have long argued that the government perpatrated the events of 9/11 Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #52

Don't you know that guns with killer magclipizinebullet holders kill people??? ileus Feb 2015 #49

As long as the government has Nuclear warheads....shouldn't you too? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #76

You are, of course, correct. And, the people who called you nuts are the nutty ones. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #94

Remember the Waco standoff? That didn't turn out very well for the Branch Davidians, did it. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #95

Waco was a gun grabber's wet dream hack89 Feb 2015 #101

And Lon Horiuchi has no reason to be less than completely candid and truthful discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #103

guns and rules draytontiffanie Feb 2015 #104