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av8r1998

(265 posts)
17. Depends
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:20 AM
Mar 2013

On how lower courts interperet "Common Use"
For example, the Glock 19 (Compact 9mm) pistol is one of the most common if not THE most common handgun on the planet.
It holds 15 rounds out of the box.

Some possible interpretations:
9mm compact firearms are in common use, therefore banning that type of firearm is unconstitutional, but "Arms" applies to weapons, not their component parts, so the mag ban is OK.

The most common defensive weapon in the world comes with 15 rounds. Therefore the mag ban is unconstitutional.

The largest mag capacity of the most commonly used type of pistols is 19 (Springfield XDM 9mm), therefore a mag ban is constitutional, but the most restrictive it can be is 19 for handguns, and 30 (standard capacity) for rifles.

Then, there is the additional complication with this law that you can posess a 10 round mag, but may not load more than 7 in the magazine. Could that be interpreted as a reasonable restriction, because they aren't banning the gun, just how it is used.

This case will be very interesting.
I suspect if it is found constitutional it will end up adjudicated in 2nd circuit, where it will be in conflict with other Federal Appellate Rulings. Eventually, it will get to SCOTUS where they will rule on the matter and set a framework for "Reasonable"

The other thing that is interesting is that it is a civil action. Nobody has been CRIMINALLY charged, and it is a criminal statute.
I am pretty sure, since this law has many other flaws, that it will be changed before this issue ever sees the inside of a courtroom.

The last thing Cuomo wants is to have even the 10 round mag ban thrown out.

Additionally, as noted in another thread, NYS Supreme Court is a trial court. They can only consider matters of law particular to the case. If they find the law unconstitutional, another action would need to be brought RE: the other law, absent an appeal.

new NY gun law challenged [View all] gejohnston Feb 2013 OP
3 days? No comment? Faster than an Austin developer in heat. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #1
Having it set aside would provide some comic relief ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #2
aren't all judges politicians in robes? gejohnston Feb 2013 #3
That sounds very much like the bullshit trap in Heller. Loudly Feb 2013 #4
And you sound a lot like Shares United ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #5
Indeed. Straw Man Feb 2013 #7
I thought the new term was gejohnston Feb 2013 #8
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #9
I'm not going to alert on this. Straw Man Feb 2013 #11
Somebody did... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #13
"In common use " is a loophole as big as a Mack Truck. Loudly Feb 2013 #6
Oh my ... Straw Man Feb 2013 #10
Based on your propensity to extreme violence ... holdencaufield Feb 2013 #12
How is a SCOTUS decision a "Loophole"? av8r1998 Feb 2013 #14
Hmmm...How will a case on this new law affect the old AWB? jmg257 Feb 2013 #15
I would think the old law could be called into question too kudzu22 Feb 2013 #16
Depends av8r1998 Mar 2013 #17
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