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jimmy the one

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40. like two peas in a ..... in a ...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Feb 2013

aikoaiko asked penigma: Can you show us some examples?

Well, iiibbb sorta did in the post just above yours, aiko:

iiibbb: But that does not exempt you for implying that the .223 round is anything magic. The .223 is in fact roundly criticized as being under-powered and ineffective by some. .. The smaller, steel-penetrating M855 rounds continue to be a weak spot in the American arsenal. They are not lethal enough to bring down an enemy decisively, and that puts troops at risk, according to Associated Press interviews.

Thanks iiibbb, & concurrently you brought up an afterthought. The 22 long or short bullet, is indeed 'more lethal' than the .223 in the gundeath sense. The 22 caliber bullet owns the distinction of being the most popular caliber to commit suicide with, & it also is involved in homicides more frequently than the .223 as most everyone here has pointed out to some extent. So there might be yearly, a few thousand gundeaths due the 22, but only a few hundred from the .223.
.. of course this is a disingenuous argument to play devils advocate. My point is, the .223 gets 'downplayed' playing with facts & figures, in order for gunnuts to justify possession & constitutional legality of .223/ar15.
Of course the .223 bullet is up to 10 times more powerful than a 22, & generally causes far more severe injury than a low speed 22. The .223 does'nt have the stopping power of a larger caliber rifle game bullet since it was designed to incapacitate as well as kill, as a light bullet (~60 grains compared to 200), but when you toss in 'survivability' after a few hours or days, it ranks right there with the heavies.

iiibbb: —As an Army sniper, Higgins was one of the select few toting an M14. The long-barreled rifle, an imposing weapon built for wars long past, spits out bullets larger and more deadly than the rounds that fit into the M4 carbines and M16 rifles that most soldiers carry. "Having a heavy cartridge in an urban environment like that was definitely a good choice," says Higgins, who did two tours in Iraq and left the service last year. "It just has more stopping power."

Quite, but them carrying m16s can carry 2 or 3 times more bullets than higgins can, lasting two or 3 times longer, the designed advantage of the m16 (translated to ar15). I'm pretty sure they were designed to be used together, the two rifles, for contributing purpose etc, I didn't get tactical combat training in the navy but this just seems to go together, like two peas in a, a, a ..... a shell.



Terminal Ballistics discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #1
now compare the .223 and gejohnston Feb 2013 #2
hell compare the .223 to backwoodsbob Feb 2013 #23
Not that I've heard krispos42 Feb 2013 #3
Size of the slug and power of the charge are just a part of the argument. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #4
Is there a .22LR weapon capable of doing that in sustained fire? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #5
rare, expensive, and Title 2 gejohnston Feb 2013 #8
Those original laser sights were huge. SayWut Feb 2013 #13
That was not what I meant. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #9
Who makes that argument? I have never seen it made in serious conversation ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #6
me either ... never heard this claim in Any Conversation, serious or otherwise - Not to say that I Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #10
Disingenuous is the argument is that a .223 will make you more dead than .22LR. Clames Feb 2013 #7
ironic post iiibbb Feb 2013 #11
and doubles down by Reccing it Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #22
If its so common a false argument, show a few links to the such arguments. aikoaiko Feb 2013 #12
A "COMMON" Disingenuous Argument? SayWut Feb 2013 #14
Sounds like a strawman argument. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #15
vague on the hague jimmy the one Feb 2013 #16
expanding ammo gejohnston Feb 2013 #17
leg wound from m16 jimmy the one Feb 2013 #18
As others have said, I doubt anyone has ever seriously claimed that the two rounds petronius Feb 2013 #19
you want examples? examples jimmy the one Feb 2013 #20
Your examples of 'people claiming .22=.223' are of people explicitly not petronius Feb 2013 #21
actually there are more of these kinds of claims than you would expect Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #25
Not one of those links - as far as I can tell - goes to anyone arguing that petronius Feb 2013 #27
Not specious at all if you know the facts. Clames Feb 2013 #47
since no one I know of... Puha Ekapi Feb 2013 #24
22-250 best turkey round ever. ileus Feb 2013 #26
Disengenuous argument starts with the OP... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #28
that there are a lot of ignorant voices speaking as expert in the gun control debates Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #31
And how are you helping by adding your voice to the fray? Clames Feb 2013 #32
I think the visual is a great refutation Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #36
of a non-issue iiibbb Feb 2013 #37
If you had an argument to refute you might have a point. Clames Feb 2013 #38
see some great examples below, posted by others Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #41
what lies? gejohnston Feb 2013 #42
Only lies I see are yours and your deliberate dishonesty.... Clames Feb 2013 #43
Speaking of lies. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #46
More Irony... iiibbb Feb 2013 #33
The instant issue about munitions misses some wider truths... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #35
Any here on DU, or in the gungeon? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #45
A brilliant refutation... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #29
Except that a surprising number of people ARE claiming all .22 cal is essentially the same Dog Gone at Penigma Feb 2013 #30
Anyone claiming they are the same ... are in fact disiginuous or ignorant iiibbb Feb 2013 #34
Can you show us some examples? aikoaiko Feb 2013 #39
like two peas in a ..... in a ... jimmy the one Feb 2013 #40
Not quite. I'd like to see examples of "a .223 is no different than a .22" aikoaiko Feb 2013 #44
You, too, noticed that *no* examples were given by the OP's author friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #49
Then you should have no problem linking to such claims... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #48
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