Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Disingenuous Argument (in more simple terms, FALSE argument) [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)aikoaiko asked penigma: Can you show us some examples?
Well, iiibbb sorta did in the post just above yours, aiko:
iiibbb: But that does not exempt you for implying that the .223 round is anything magic. The .223 is in fact roundly criticized as being under-powered and ineffective by some. .. The smaller, steel-penetrating M855 rounds continue to be a weak spot in the American arsenal. They are not lethal enough to bring down an enemy decisively, and that puts troops at risk, according to Associated Press interviews.
Thanks iiibbb, & concurrently you brought up an afterthought. The 22 long or short bullet, is indeed 'more lethal' than the .223 in the gundeath sense. The 22 caliber bullet owns the distinction of being the most popular caliber to commit suicide with, & it also is involved in homicides more frequently than the .223 as most everyone here has pointed out to some extent. So there might be yearly, a few thousand gundeaths due the 22, but only a few hundred from the .223.
.. of course this is a disingenuous argument to play devils advocate. My point is, the .223 gets 'downplayed' playing with facts & figures, in order for gunnuts to justify possession & constitutional legality of .223/ar15.
Of course the .223 bullet is up to 10 times more powerful than a 22, & generally causes far more severe injury than a low speed 22. The .223 does'nt have the stopping power of a larger caliber rifle game bullet since it was designed to incapacitate as well as kill, as a light bullet (~60 grains compared to 200), but when you toss in 'survivability' after a few hours or days, it ranks right there with the heavies.
iiibbb: As an Army sniper, Higgins was one of the select few toting an M14. The long-barreled rifle, an imposing weapon built for wars long past, spits out bullets larger and more deadly than the rounds that fit into the M4 carbines and M16 rifles that most soldiers carry. "Having a heavy cartridge in an urban environment like that was definitely a good choice," says Higgins, who did two tours in Iraq and left the service last year. "It just has more stopping power."
Quite, but them carrying m16s can carry 2 or 3 times more bullets than higgins can, lasting two or 3 times longer, the designed advantage of the m16 (translated to ar15). I'm pretty sure they were designed to be used together, the two rifles, for contributing purpose etc, I didn't get tactical combat training in the navy but this just seems to go together, like two peas in a, a, a ..... a shell.