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In reply to the discussion: Godwin's Law and RKBA [View all]
 

needledriver

(836 posts)
16. So you agree!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jan 2013
Those 3 types of firearms sufficed & provided all that was needed, in the gun sense, to satisfy the 2ndA.

The subject under discussion is the kind of weapons that you could "keep" and "bear", and not the distracting introduction of weapons of mass destruction, but since you mention it:

There were no hell fire triggers,

A well tuned lock can provide instant ignition, which is asking a lot from a swinging a piece of rock against a piece of steel to fire your weapon.

no hermetically sealed ammunition,

You had better be very careful to protect your powder and cartridges from moisture if you expect them to survive a three month ocean voyage in usable condition.

no precision fmjs,

A well patched ball can strike a human target at 350 yards.

no brass casings,

Musket cartridges are rolled in paper.

no 10 round clips,

Packed ten to a set in brown paper tied up with string!

no semi autos,

Some guys claim to be able to do four rounds a minute but the best I can do is three.

no dum dums,

They had such things as deliberately mutilated musket balls and musket balls with nails driven through them.

no safe safeties.

I have a hammerstall which prevents accidental striking of the flint and steel, and a half cock notch. You don't want your musket to go off half cocked!

.. their 1790 musket by itself was essentially useless in offensive battle.

Yes, but a 1790 musket doesn't get used by itself as an offensive weapon. It gets used alongside dozens of other 1790 muskets firing together. A Company of soldiers is a shotgun fifty feet wide, throwing lead down range three times a minute. This can be quite offensive - and is the very essence of what it means to be well regulated.

You title your reply "1776 muskets were not assault weapons", then you say "The musket only became an assault weapon once it had a bayonet attached". By 1776 most muskets were equipped with bayonets, so by your own definition they were assault weapons.
Godwin's Law and RKBA [View all] needledriver Jul 2012 OP
Well the Nazi's did not manage nuclear weapons.......The End gordianot Jul 2012 #1
How many people can a weapon kill in a short time before gun rights advocates deem it excessive? LonePirate Jul 2012 #2
The Second Amendment was talking about weapons that can not only be kept but bourne. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #3
D'oh! needledriver Jul 2012 #4
Touche' n/t TPaine7 Jul 2012 #5
There are two other arguments, but I will leave them to be made by those who understand them better. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #6
By the term "arms" were they not also talking about weapons they could and did take home, rl6214 Jul 2012 #8
I think so, but I'd like someone who knows more about it than I do to weigh in n/t TPaine7 Jul 2012 #9
That's how I've usually seen it interpreted tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #11
Here's a link to various definitions used in the Heller decision... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #12
The ole A bomb is thrown by people that don't believe in the 2A. ileus Jul 2012 #7
I should have worn out my keyboard by now. needledriver Jan 2013 #10
You could always issue a blanket retroactive declaration, and then the statisticans petronius Jan 2013 #13
Can't really use an atom bomb defensively without killint innocent people. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #14
1776 muskets were not assault weapons jimmy the one Jan 2013 #15
So you agree! needledriver Jan 2013 #16
banzai bayonet jimmy the one Jan 2013 #18
Assault weapons of another time needledriver Jan 2013 #19
What would you consider the Ferguson rifle to be? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #17
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