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Showing Original Post only (View all)Important Anti-Gun Study Shown to be Flawed (if facts matter) [View all]
Last edited Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Recently, a professor published a study in the Journal of Public Health in support of another AWB. The study is an important one and will influence others. Other influential sources will refer to it. Some already have.
The Harvard School of Public Health, as just one example, recently referred to the anti-gun ownership study while saying
"Compared with the United States, Switzerland ... (has a lower rate) of gun ownership, stricter gun control laws, and their policies discourage gun ownership.
"Rosenbaum, Janet E. Gun utopias? Firearm access and ownership in Israel and Switzerland. Journal of Public Health Policy. 2012; 33:46-58.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/other-countries/index.html
"Rosenbaum, Janet E. Gun utopias? Firearm access and ownership in Israel and Switzerland. Journal of Public Health Policy. 2012; 33:46-58.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/other-countries/index.html
The example statement of alleged lower gun ownership, stricter gun control laws, and anti-gun policies in Switzerland is either true or not true.
The study is either a fact-based one or one which is at odds with the facts. If you have an anti-gun politician who is going to rely upon it, shouldn't you be aware of whether it is reliable or not? As the MSM makes a push for another public controversy, and as certain politicians in Washington and others push for greater anti-gun ownership legislation, there are those who will undoubtedly rely and refer to it. (If the study is not a fact-based one, that should be known and pointed out when anti-gun advocates claim to have relied upon it. For a historical context of how professional appearing reports and commentaries have been used for propaganda within the United States, Google "Operation Mockingbird." They say that it has been discontinued.)
A Swiss national who is familiar with Swiss law, practices, and policies, has taken the time to show how the study is flawed. In an open letter now published on the web, that author recently wrote:
"Dr. Rosembaum: It appears today that your efforts to publicize your research ("Gun Utopias? Firearm Access and Ownership in Israel and Switzerland," Journal of Public Health Policy 33, p. 47 (2012)) have accelerated. The most recent showcase for your paper and the concepts that underlie it happens to be Foreign Policy ("A League of Our Own," Foreign Policy (December 19, 2012)) but Ezra Klein showcased your research in an interview for his Washington-Post sponsored Wonkblog some days before ("Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias," Wonkblog (December 14, 2012)). It is unfortunate then that the body of your research on Switzerland can only be described as "shoddy," at best. At worst it appears more like raw academic fraud. "
http://www.finemrespice.com/node/122 (also in full text at http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172100207)
http://www.finemrespice.com/node/122 (also in full text at http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172100207)
More details can be found in that letter and an earlier December 2012 analysis by the same author who also wrote:
"The instant study appears to be laden with pervasive and material flaws, some of which are difficult to explain in the absence of malice. In the case of her interpretation of Swiss firearms law these defects appear particularly egregious. Further, the conclusions to which Dr. Rosenbaum leaps and her propensity to publicize them by seeking out exposure through mass media outlets are concerning. Coupled with her public advocacy statements on e.g., her Twitter stream one is given the impression that Dr. Rosenbaum is engaged in advocacy, not in science. Certainly, it is a strain to view her as an unbiased researcher in light of these impressions.
http://www.finemrespice.com/node/121
http://www.finemrespice.com/node/121
EDITED TO ADD MORE from the Swiss author who critized the article published in the Journal of Public Health :
"In fact, despite your absurd claims that ownership of firearms in Switzerland is "rare," the same data shows that Swiss civilians are better armed than the populations of Northern Ireland, Lebanon, Kosovo, Angola, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Libya, Mexico, Guatemala, South Africa, Pakistan, Jordan, Brazil, Nicaragua, Iran, El Salvador, Mozambique, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, the Ivory Coast, Liberia, Laos, Chad, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, and Ethiopia. Perhaps now is a good moment to remind you once again that you cite the same report from which these figures are drawn repeatedly in your research?
http://www.finemrespice.com/node/122
http://www.finemrespice.com/node/122
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Important Anti-Gun Study Shown to be Flawed (if facts matter) [View all]
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
OP
Claim something is flawed but provide no examples, just say it's flawed. Fools will buy that.
Scuba
Jan 2013
#1
Err... except for the specific factual rebuttals that make up the entire post?
Recursion
Jan 2013
#4
There's a whole bunch of claims at the link, none of which refute the claim that ....
Scuba
Jan 2013
#19
If facts matter, a link was provided in the OP to Harvard School of Public Health article
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#22
If facts matter, read the detailed analysis and open letter found with the links.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#5
If facts matter, on what basis do you claim that a Swiss citizen is "a right-wing blogger"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#6
Just because some right-wing blogger claims the "facts" are on his side, doesn't make it so...
DanTex
Jan 2013
#8
If facts matter, on what basis do you claim that a Swiss citizen is "a right-wing blogger"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#9
The blogger *quotes the published facts* that the study author misrepresented
Recursion
Jan 2013
#13
Yeah, and the blogger thinks her own interpretation of the statistics is fair and balanced,
DanTex
Jan 2013
#21
You have not shown at this or any other time that the blogger is a "right-wing blogger."
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#24
Sorry, but "leftism/statism" are right-wing buzzwords, as much as you would like to deny it.
DanTex
Jan 2013
#29
You have not shown at this or any other time that the blogger is a "right-wing blogger."
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#34
On what factual basis do you say the blog "seems to be from a right-wing American"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#33
A blogger is not a "right-wing blogger" when they post that they are in favor of
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#16
There are no facts to support your statment that "there are going to be fifty anonymous blog entries
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#31
Well, the blog has two authors, one of whom is a woman and one of whom refuses to state
Recursion
Jan 2013
#17
What about sticking with the facts instead of engaging in name calling?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#35
As pointed out by Scuba above, the blogger doesn't actually seem to dispute the central facts.
DanTex
Jan 2013
#39
You are still ignoring the facts. Your blogger friend doesn't actually dispute the study.
DanTex
Jan 2013
#41
You're as illogical as ever. Your posts certainly show that you're an expert as changing the subject
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#44
Pretty thin gruel there, Dan. I think she summed up your attack pretty well.
Eleanors38
Jan 2013
#18
If the Swiss author of the Dec 2012 article and open letter used sarcasm or otherwise
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#28
"Here in Switzerland we resent being pressed into forced labor in the salt mines...
Recursion
Jan 2013
#3