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In reply to the discussion: Palestinian Villages May Soon Go Dark: Israeli Government To Remove Solar Panels And Wind Turbines [View all]kayecy
(1,417 posts)172. You have misunderstood me.....I am not asking questions.....
5.Like Nasser, the Iranian leaders have made threats which may or may not be significant in the future. ....what does that mean? May or May not?..i chose may, you chose may not-since you have admitted you can't read the future why even bother with such a question?
You have misunderstood me.....I am not asking questions...I am trying to put together a series of statements which, when we have agreed them, can be used as a basis for deciding whether Israel is justified in attacking Iran.
From your remarks above, I assume you do not object to my wording in Statement No 5 if may or may not is replaced by may......I have no objection to this.
6. An Israeli attack may kill any number of innocents, perhaps in the millions.
yes, it may kill 2 it may kill 100,000...do some research before asking
Again, from your comment, I understand that you do not object to Statement No 6
7. An Israeli attack, even if successful, may only put back Irans nuclear development by a couple of years. or it may stop it all together?......again i nor you can read the future, so how is it relevant to anything.....
Or thirdly, it may not delay it at all.....If you can accept that then Statement 7 becomes:
7. The outcome of an Israeli attack on Iran is unknown.
10. An Israeli attack and the Iranian response could lead to a wider Middle East war which would benefit no one but Al Qaida. or maybe it would benefit israel, kuwait, saudi arabia, the Palestinians, Egypt...as the iranian response was all thwarted by israel
Now here I have difficulty accepting your proposed additions...Please explain by what means you think Israel might thwart an Iranian response which may involve conventional surface-to-surface missiles and air/sea attacks on Saudi Arabia some 1,000km from the Israel?
11. Given time, Irans opposition may topple the present regime. An Israeli attack would cripple any Iranian opposition to the Ayatollahs. ...that iranian spring?...did you miss it? it didn't work out too well did it
You obviously do not think Statement 11 is a relevant factor...OK, I agree No 11 should be deleted..
Pelsars proposed additional statements
12. iran with nuclear missiles would lead to a nuclear arms race with saudi arabia and kuwait, iraq, etc getting involved
If you are willing to replace would with might, I am happy to accept your proposal as Statement No. 12
13. Israel blows up iranian nuclear facilities, saudi arabia, europe, egypt, jordan, all thank israel quietly for doing what had to be done, and they put the sanctions on with teeth, iran, stops the nuclear program. The arab countries realize that israel is in fact their ally, put pressure on the Palestinians that enough is enough, and a real arrangement is made with the Palestinians and a new era of peaceful coexistence begins....
Again if you are prepared state this might happen I will be happy to accept your word as Statement No 13.......However, if you are going to include such remote possibilities, I need to add a similar remote possibility as Statement No 14.
14. Iran may hve already developed and weaponised several nuclear war-heads with the help of the North Koreans...The Iranian response to an Israeli attack could be a multiple launch of all its missiles to swamp the Israel defences resulting in some getting through including perhaps a 100kiloton warhead on Tel Aviv.
You appeared to have made no comment to my Statements 2, 3, 4, 8 & 9. Can I therefore take it that once you have clarified why you object to Statement No 10, accepted the changed wording in No. 7, and included the word might in Nos 12 & 13, we can consider this extended list of statements as an agreed basis for deciding whether Israel is justified in attacking Iran?
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my knowledge base is probably quite a bit larger than yours, not only do get to hear what halutz and gabi have to say, i get to hear live the opposing views while they argue it out. I think its safe to say, that kind of knowledge you don't have.
I was not belittling your knowledge base, you were the one that said:
if you want to know what are my sources?....they're all around be they talk shows, interview, internet, radio, personal experiences, history
Such sources are just tittle-tattle and I was amazed that you made such a claim....Now you admit that you do listen to the views of experts after all.....Are you suffering from schizophrenia?......Why say one thing and mean another?
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Palestinian Villages May Soon Go Dark: Israeli Government To Remove Solar Panels And Wind Turbines [View all]
stockholmer
Feb 2012
OP
Ma'an has a series of articles on the Israeli demolitions of European funded Area C projects
azurnoir
Feb 2012
#4
Cut off. No power, no sanitation, no medical, no jobs, no food, no education... did I miss anything.
kickysnana
Feb 2012
#10
"Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation..."
oberliner
Feb 2012
#12
Wait, what? You are claiming Israelis are really nazis in search of a "final solution"?
Ruby the Liberal
Feb 2012
#37
One comment made in 1959 vs constant, repeated bleatings complete with hosting holocaust denial?
Ruby the Liberal
Feb 2012
#76
I don't think you can make predictions based on the technical vagaries of religions...
shaayecanaan
Feb 2012
#115
How many Iranian civilians is Israel prepared to kill in order to delay the Iranian nuclear program?
kayecy
Mar 2012
#123
at least we now understand your morality...but how many to kill to protect your kids?
pelsar
Mar 2012
#131
Is that an approximate extension of your hypothesis to Israel’s attack on Iran?...
kayecy
Mar 2012
#142
Time magazine? and "senior israeli official' Atlantic Magazine....LOL.I got some too!!
pelsar
Mar 2012
#149
And your considered opinion is still that Israel should proceed to attack Iran?
kayecy
Mar 2012
#156
it (Israel) deliberately, indiscriminately and recklessly bombed civilian targets .........
kayecy
Mar 2012
#162
Hitler thought he knew what would happen when he invaded Russia....He was wrong.....
kayecy
Mar 2012
#166
Kayecy, why do you persist in defining an Israeli strike on nuclear facilities...
shira
Mar 2012
#182
....60 million+ dead, the enslavement on Eastern Europe in your eyes was the moral choice?
pelsar
Mar 2012
#183
It is not a question of like or dislike, merely that historical speculation is a waste of time......
kayecy
Mar 2012
#186
of course its my own "idiosyncratic opinion".....its my ethics and my morals...
pelsar
Apr 2012
#191
Kayecy, Iran is behind Hezbollah, Hamas, and P.I.J. rocket attacks on Israel now....
shira
Mar 2012
#180
So, you think Israel would be totally justified in demolishing those solar panels and wind turbines?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2012
#18
You aren't seriously arguing that building solar panels is about "Demonizing Israel".
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#47
The solar panels do no harm. There's no way that they could threaten Israeli security.
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#46
Same BS anti-Israel demonization. Different day. Apparently, haters need their daily fix. N/T
shira
Feb 2012
#25
Why the obsession over the permitting process? And what difference does "the legal framework" make?
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#52
Why can't the Israeli side admit that, in a situation like this, where the construction is harmless
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#58
The EU isn't trying to harm Israel. Not filling out these forms doesn't threaten Israel.
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#69
If it's in a military Occupation zone, an area that's certain to end up in Palestine anyway
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#70
Is there some reason that it's more threatening to have them install them in Area C?
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#73
Double standard time. Nasty antisemitic comments exist on the FGM and BDS facebook pages...
shira
Feb 2012
#35
Left-wingers were fighting Hitler and Mussolini while most of the Right were backing them
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#68
The government, NOT the people-the two are not the same in ANY democratic society
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#79
I read about her in that entry...but don't know enough about her to have an opinion
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#84
It's not "slandering" simply to make an observation-Clearly it applies to most of the government
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#89
what i take "personally" is your slandering of a main stream politicians..as if they are monsters.
pelsar
Feb 2012
#96
Well, yes, obviously they see the situation differently. That goes without saying.
Ken Burch
Feb 2012
#112