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shira

(30,109 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:38 PM Oct 2013

Our World: The bothersome, annoying truth [View all]

The author is a nutball rightwing 1-stater, but she nails it here.

The constant lies and demonization is what pro-Palestinian (actually anti-Israel) advocacy is all about. We see it here in this forum constantly. The propagandists here cannot defend or justify their accusations. I doubt there's one anti-Israel participant here who has a problem with Teddy Katz's Tantura blood libel (see article). The goal is delegitimization, Israel's destruction...via demonization, hate literature, libel. Palestinians are justified sending kids to blow up Israelis due to evil (mostly bogus) Israeli actions....


Israel’s rights and justness are grounded in truth. But today truth isn’t worth as much as it used to be. Those who fight for it find themselves routinely maligned as close-minded extremists.


....As Pappe sees it, truth is only important if it is aligned with his ideological goal. The French newspaper Le Soir quoted him saying, “The struggle is about ideology, not about facts. Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers.”

For his part, Lerner, who has dramatized Katz’s blood libel, was quoted by The Washington Post saying that his purpose wasn’t to tell the truth, either. “The play is trying to suggest that these historical memories [of what happened at Tantura] have to be explored and revised continuously in order to create a solid basis for reconciliation between the two people.”

The “revised” – that is, false – memory Lerner seeks to create serves a clear purpose. By portraying the Jews as murderers and as the aggressors in 1948 and the Arabs as their victims, he wishes to convince everyone that it is okay for the Arabs to continue seeking Israel’s destruction, and for the world to keep pressuring the Jewish state for more unilateral concessions. Only if justice is solely on the side of the Arabs is it possible to promote “compromises” in which the Jewish state makes endless concessions to the Arabs, and in return receives terrorism, war and hatred.

The true history of Israel’s War of Independence in which local Arabs, assisted by invading Arab armies attacked the Jews of Israel with the declared purpose of annihilating them, is inconvenient for the likes of Lerner and Pappe. They have no use for the fact that every area conquered by the Arabs was rendered Jew-free, by massacre or expulsion. They certainly don’t want anyone to know about the heroism of Jews who defended themselves and their nascent state, and prevailed, albeit at great cost.


http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Our-World-The-bothersome-annoying-truth-328715
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Out of curiosity... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #1
Lemme guess, you don't have a problem with the Tantura massacre hoax or the play 7 jewish children shira Oct 2013 #2
I have a problem with hoaxes, Shira. It's part of why you and I don't get along. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #5
The Tantura hoax serves one purpose only. To demonize Israel & justify murderous terror.... shira Oct 2013 #10
Well, point of fact, there ARE such plays, Shira. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #13
Do you think Seven Palestinian Children or Seven Other Children are hate literature? shira Oct 2013 #15
Nope. In fact I rather like Seven Palestinian Children Scootaloo Oct 2013 #23
The play portrays Jews as the new Nazis, from victims to oppressors over a period of 70 years.... shira Oct 2013 #24
Except it doesn't. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #27
You're missing the point.... shira Oct 2013 #29
Geert Wilders supporter Caroline Glick my hats off to you you've truly out done yourself here azurnoir Oct 2013 #3
Like I wrote, she's a nutball 1-state rightwinger but she nailed it in this one. shira Oct 2013 #4
And like I've written, you seem to do a lot of shopping at the Rightwing nutball store. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #6
Sigh...anything to avoid the topic. She nailed it. Might as well admit it. n/t shira Oct 2013 #7
I'm just responding to the posts, Shira Scootaloo Oct 2013 #9
Exactly what I expect from you. Ad hominem smears, avoidance of the topic.... shira Oct 2013 #11
What? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #14
actually I think she's more of a 2 stater Israel and Jordan azurnoir Oct 2013 #8
No, she's a 1-stater like yourself. Both your visions would lead to Israel's end. shira Oct 2013 #12
so I'm for more settlements news to me azurnoir Oct 2013 #16
You're for 1-state and that's what more settlements would result in...correct? shira Oct 2013 #17
Read the Daily Beast article did you and decided to parrot that azurnoir Oct 2013 #18
Another deflection. Sorry that u have problems with people challenging your views. shira Oct 2013 #19
No I have a problem with people making false assumptions about what I think azurnoir Oct 2013 #20
Why should they be cleared out when you're in favor of 1-state? n/t shira Oct 2013 #21
shira you've been told repeatedly but if you wish to look foolish then go right ahead azurnoir Oct 2013 #22
Right, you're not for 1-state but you're for BDS which is for 1-state & full RoR. shira Oct 2013 #25
lol so it's guilt by association but azurnoir Oct 2013 #26
Sometimes, all I can do is stare Scootaloo Oct 2013 #28
You are politically in sync with BDS, FreeGaza, & antizionism which are movements for 1-state shira Oct 2013 #30
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