Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Abbas wants 'not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)...you'll just call for more of the same old and define all of it as inevitable "progress". Just like you did the Arab Spring. The question is, how many have to die in order for you to see you're wrong and opt for a plan 'B'?
And let's face it, you're against all criticism of Palestinian leadership. They're the victims to you, Hamas included. You've LAMBASTED the Israelis for years while saying virtually nothing about Palestinian viewpoints and actions that are 100X worse. You rationalize it by saying that criticism of Palestinians wouldn't change anything, a bigoted view in itself which is an admittance the Palestinians can't ever change (while of course the Israelis can). Look, if both sides were equally to blame, you'd rip BOTH sides. Obviously, you don't believe both sides are equally to blame and that's why you rip only the Israelis and rarely, if ever, the Palestinians.
I really think you support the Palestinian leadership, not the people themselves. That's the "cause" for you. It's why you refuse to challenge the ugliest, most vile and rightwing actions of the Palestinian leadership (or any Arab leadership in that region which oppresses the Palestinians). Palestinians have no basic civil rights under Hamas or the PLO and they suffer actual apartheid in Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan. You're silent on that as you won't even admit to it. You obviously don't see the problem, which goes to prove (at least to me) that you support what goes on. IOW, you support the Arab leadership's oppression against the Palestinians. You support the 'cause', which is entirely anti-Israel and in no way pro-Palestinian. Proof of this was your admittance recently that BDS isn't mostly leftwing, but being that you support the anti-Israel 'cause' you're against criticizing what you admit is a rightwing movement.
Ken, we cannot agree b/c fundamentally we're on opposite sides. The cause you support is fundamentally anti-peace, rightwing, and vile. And I'm going to keep call you out for attempting to put lipstick on that pig.
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This conflict isn't about occupation/settlements either. You're going to have to do better than that, as there was no occupation or settlements in 1948 or leading up to the '67 war. The root cause is something else and you know it. No other occupation worldwide has led to the same suicide bombings, rockets, or dehumanizing hatred & genocidal intentions. No other occupied people has a majority supporting murder of innocents on the other side. And no, the Israelis don't hate their enemies in the same way no matter how much you try to equate the sides.