Israel/Palestine

shira

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36. So let's compare Greater Israel to BDS version of 1-state

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:54 PM

Jun 2013

Greater Israel hinges on a Jewish majority + liberal democracy.

The BDS version after full RoR allows for Hamas to be voted into power with the vast majority of Palestinians in favor of a state based on sharia law, which would be a far cry from the dream of a secular democracy "for all people".

How is the BDS version preferable?

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Pet Shop Boys: Israel not apartheid state [View all] shira Jun 2013 OP

That seems to me to be a good point. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #1

try reading this then ... Israeli Jun 2013 #6

Heading towards Apartheid? They claim it's ALREADY Apartheid.... shira Jun 2013 #8

who are they shira ? Israeli Jun 2013 #10

So is Israel an apartheid state or just heading that way? You posted two... shira Jun 2013 #14

So do you fancy yourself as the new Helen Suzman , Israeli ? King_David Jun 2013 #23

Suzman was a bonafide SA hero; very pro-Israel.... shira Jun 2013 #28

no King_David... Israeli Jun 2013 #29

She lied when she claimed Jews-Only-Roads... shira Jun 2013 #30

Shulamit Aloni ... Israeli Jun 2013 #32

If you cannot admit Jews-Only roads is a lie... shira Jun 2013 #46

why indeed ... Israeli Jun 2013 #90

Well, since the 'pet shops boys' declares it, it must be so! LOL eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #2

Top Ten Gay Icons of All Time King_David Jun 2013 #3

Palestinian Lexicon: Apartheid.... shira Jun 2013 #4

Yeah, it's not like they were in Pink Floyd or anything oberliner Jun 2013 #5

Real Experts on Apartheid believe world run by Reptilian Space Aliens... shira Jun 2013 #7

ah yet more charater assassination azurnoir Jun 2013 #12

Walker is one of the leading voices of the BDS Apartheid charge... shira Jun 2013 #15

Stay classy there azurnoir Jun 2013 #19

It's just too easy exposing warmongering bigots like Walker and Barghouti... shira Jun 2013 #20

"warmongering bigots like (Alice) Walker- azurnoir Jun 2013 #21

So tell me, what makes BDS 1-staters any better than.... shira Jun 2013 #25

I could tell you, if you promise to pay attention Scootaloo Jun 2013 #34

exactly why I wasn't playing azurnoir Jun 2013 #35

So let's compare Greater Israel to BDS version of 1-state shira Jun 2013 #36

How is the "Jewish Majority" to be maintained? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #38

It would still be 2/3 Jews after the WB is absorbed... shira Jun 2013 #39

So refugees are just cut loose left to rot have I got that right? azurnoir Jun 2013 #41

Refugees should be absorbed into the countries they were born... shira Jun 2013 #44

Interesting weren't you promoting that very same thing recently? azurnoir Jun 2013 #47

Part of Israel's Rightwing promotes that, like Caroline Glick... shira Jun 2013 #49

again were you or were you not promoting that exact ame thing? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #50

I promote 2 states. There are other plans... shira Jun 2013 #52

still not answering the question why? azurnoir Jun 2013 #54

I only promote 2 states. I'm not for a greater Israel... shira Jun 2013 #56

and I'm waiting for you to answer the question azurnoir Jun 2013 #58

What's wrong with you? I don't promote anything else but 2 states.... shira Jun 2013 #61

I asked you a question that for some reason you don't want to answer azurnoir Jun 2013 #62

What did you ask that I didn't answer? shira Jun 2013 #64

I asked if you were not promoting that Palestinian refugees be made citizens in the countries they azurnoir Jun 2013 #65

I totally promote that Palestinians be absorbed as citizens in the countries.... shira Jun 2013 #67

oh and one more thing how much West Bank land is being held by the JNF? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #42

Why would that matter in a greater Israel? n/t shira Jun 2013 #45

Because the JNF only leases land to Jews azurnoir Jun 2013 #48

What do you expect in a Greater Israel? It would have to remain... shira Jun 2013 #51

supposedly we're told non-Jews have exactly equal rights now or so we're told azurnoir Jun 2013 #53

Look into the ILA / JNF rules that compensate the JNF for land... shira Jun 2013 #55

That case is still pending but what it would in effect do is allow the JNF to azurnoir Jun 2013 #57

and BTW the BDS version of One State is for a secular democracy not a state of sharia law azurnoir Jun 2013 #60

That's what they say, however their actions prove otherwise... shira Jun 2013 #66

The BDS movement promotes a secular democracy guilt by association isn't cutting it azurnoir Jun 2013 #68

And they're doing ZERO to make a secular democracy reality.... shira Jun 2013 #70

No bullshit tangents. Please, do tell.... n/t shira Jun 2013 #37

Alright then Scootaloo Jun 2013 #59

The Greater Israel 1-state would be similar to what we see today in Israel.... shira Jun 2013 #63

You asked me what the difference was, I told you Scootaloo Jun 2013 #69

That difference has to be based on reality... shira Jun 2013 #71

Again, you asked what the difference between the two versions was Scootaloo Jun 2013 #72

The BDS vision is as realistic as Alice Walker's Reptilian Space Aliens ruling the planet... shira Jun 2013 #73

so believing that there could be a secular democracy in Israel, is like believing in space reptilian azurnoir Jun 2013 #74

Your version that "guarantees" equal rights for all doesn't yet exist... shira Jun 2013 #78

You want to argue really badly, don't you? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #75

So they expect Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #91

Ha ha ha ha King_David Jun 2013 #13

perhaps but in the world of music azurnoir Jun 2013 #24

No question....ask Nadrah. jessie04 Jun 2013 #9

This "apartheid" comparison reminds me WatermelonRat Jun 2013 #11

The Apartheid charge is just a smear attempt for the most part.... shira Jun 2013 #16

Do you think Alicia Keys will cancel? oberliner Jun 2013 #17

Don't know. I'm sure she's under tremendous pressure to do so. n/t shira Jun 2013 #18

You should see her FB page oberliner Jun 2013 #22

Honestly, I don't have the stomach to view all that garbage... shira Jun 2013 #26

Pretty much exactly what you'd expect oberliner Jun 2013 #27

At least the BDS holes couldn't convince Barbra Streisand to stay out... shira Jun 2013 #31

Very different situation oberliner Jun 2013 #33

interesting who paid for it tho ... Israeli Jun 2013 #40

Socialists could've paid for it, and it wouldn't make a difference shira Jun 2013 #43

yeah right shira ... Israeli Jun 2013 #76

Yossi Gurvitz figured the International Left out... shira Jun 2013 #80

LOL Israeli Jun 2013 #82

I see you're loyal to Aloni. That's fine... shira Jun 2013 #83

yes ... Israeli Jun 2013 #87

What's wrong with Gurvitz? shira Jun 2013 #84

oops .. Israeli Jun 2013 #88

Built from the ground up, huh? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #86

Good lord, capitalists!! oberliner Jun 2013 #79

you missed out ... Israeli Jun 2013 #89

News from Montgomery: Whites continue to ride bus, negros to call off boycott Scootaloo Jun 2013 #77

There are good boycotts & there are rotten ones vs. Jews, like the Nazi one. n/t shira Jun 2013 #81

Your phrasing leaves me puzzled Scootaloo Jun 2013 #85