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shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Giving incitement the stamp of approval
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:10 PM
Feb 2013

Let’s leave aside the professor’s political opinions for the moment and examine the research itself. I obtained memos written by two members of the study’s Scientific Advisory Panel, Professors Amnon Groiss and Elihu Richter. While the research was still ongoing, these two scholars highlighted substantial methodological flaws and the “omission of more than forty significant texts” that appear in Palestinian school books. To be clear, the omitted texts are precisely those that contain the highest degrees of incitement (“invading snakes”; “the enemies that split open women’s bellies” etc. etc.) The demand that these texts be included was turned down with the excuse that it was not clear that the words referred to Israelis or Jews. Really, how could we not have realized that the Palestinians were referring to the Swedes? You see the response and can’t believe your eyes.

In identifying positive examples of education regarding the other, the study cites a reference in a Palestinian text to the Sabbath. The only problem is that this is actually a negative reference, meant to present the Jews as fanatics who are unwilling to heal the sick on the Sabbath (as opposed to Jesus, who is prepared to heal the sick on the Day of Rest.) Not only is this portrayal false (saving lives trumps the prohibitions against work on the Sabbath, and Jewish law evolved to include permitting violations of the Sabbath to save non-Jews as well), but it is presented as a positive reference to Judaism. The study’s conclusions follow accordingly. There is no incitement...

...And it only gets worse. When discussing negative portrayals of the “Other,” the study includes the mere mention in Israeli textbooks of the Farhud – the 1941 pogrom against Iraqi Jews – and the massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics as examples of negative portrayals of the Arab side. What exactly are the study’s authors trying to say? That it is forbidden to mention these events? Or perhaps the books should be rewritten to state that “Muslim freedom fighters succeeded in striking Jewish criminals in Baghdad and Munich”? According to this logic, perhaps it should be forbidden to learn about the Nazis, since this creates a negative image of the Germans.

The Israeli textbooks, as the study notes, do mention the 1948 massacre by the Irgun militia at the Arab village of Deir Yassin (but not the majority of the pogroms that were carried out against Jews in Arab lands). In contrast, there is not a single instance of self-criticism on the Palestinian side. Not even of the Mufti Amin al-Husseini’s support for the Nazis. There is also no mention of the fact that when the Palestinian texts refer to bringing an end to the occupation, they mean, almost without exception, the occupation of ‘Greater Palestine’ from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Or to put it even more clearly: bringing an end to the State of Israel.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/giving-incitement-the-stamp-of-approval/

The most depsicable of all the writers at 972mag oberliner Feb 2013 #1
Yeah, tis funny. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #3
Study at odds with years of research on incitement in Palestinian textbooks azurnoir Feb 2013 #2
I for one would actually like to see what the offending passages are R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #4
I too am curious azurnoir Feb 2013 #8
Oh, behave. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #9
well as to the nuts and berries azurnoir Feb 2013 #22
You could become ‘another Goldstone’ — friendly warning to Yale prof Scurrilous Feb 2013 #5
Thanks. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #7
The study is so absurd, people once associated with it are backing off... shira Feb 2013 #15
Giving incitement the stamp of approval shira Feb 2013 #6
Thank you shira for the showcasing how ready you are to Goldstone anybody and anything R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #10
"Anything to help out the home team." oberliner Feb 2013 #11
"Funny to see you make a remark like that." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #12
What do you make of the specific examples Ben Dror Yemini cited? shira Feb 2013 #14
Ben Dror Yemini has an opinion. The question should really be R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #16
He's an actual journalist who did research of primary sources. He's not some blogger.... shira Feb 2013 #18
I did. He has an opinion. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #23
What's wrong with his opinion? Here are the actual passages from the study.... shira Feb 2013 #30
The world is full of opinions, Goldstoners and cherry pickers, Shira. ;) R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #31
I thought you were interested in truth and facts. Those passages show the study is BS. shira Feb 2013 #34
I see you are going up the cherry tree again to collect another bushel. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #35
Why do you fear discussing the textbook study? n/t shira Feb 2013 #36
"Anything to help out the home team" holdencaufield Feb 2013 #19
I don't have a problem with you, hometeam. n/t shira Feb 2013 #20
Chosen for a reason :-) holdencaufield Feb 2013 #21
It would depend on if your homies R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #24
Apartheid apartheid apartheid King_David Feb 2013 #32
I have noticed that you are short on substance while long on excuses. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #33
The study does include examples such as those cited shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #29
What examples were included? Palestinian self-criticism? n/t shira Mar 2013 #39
The Israeli-Palestinian Textbook Study Fraud shira Feb 2013 #13
You have a lot of opinion-related material to post. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #17
Larry Derfner ?? King_David Feb 2013 #25
Well, that was insightful of you. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #26
Perhaps I am drunk? King_David Feb 2013 #27
Thanks for the kick. ;) R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #28
Why thank people for kicking your thread? The study is proven crap. shira Mar 2013 #38
(Youtube PowerPoint) New Data on Incitement in the PA Education System shira Mar 2013 #37
Examples of school book texts cited in Council of Religious Institutions of the Holy Land study shira Mar 2013 #40
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