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shira

(30,109 posts)
16. The Palestinians don't have legal sovereignty either. And Jews do have rights to settlement...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jul 2012

....as per LoN rulings, and later the UN, which adopted LoN rulings.

The 1948 green line is an armistice line, not a border. That was made very clear at the time.

Jordan's ethnic cleansing of all Jews b/w 1948-67 in that area (before that, Jews had lived there thousands of years) is not a legal basis for Palestinian sovereignty over all historic Judea/Samaria. Nor can ethnic cleansing be used legally to deny Jewish settlement in that area.

Oslo stipulates settlement building can continue in area 'C', so it is not a violation of Oslo. Not only did the PLO agree to this, but so did the USA, UK, France, the EU, Russia, Egypt, and Jordan. Since all these signatories to Oslo agreed Israel could still build in area 'C', what does that say about the illegality of settlement building according to International Law? Besides, Israel went beyond Oslo just shortly after and stopped building NEW settlements; instead choosing only to build within EXISTING settlement blocs. There have been no new settlements outside existing blocs since the mid 90's.

Almost all settlements are on public state land, not privately owned (Palestinian) land.

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Legal or not, Israel has already agreed to a Palestinian state based on negotiated land swaps. Israel has already agreed to dismantle settlements for peace. The biggest issue, and Tobin for all his rightwingery is right about this one, is that the Palestinians consider ALL Israel to be a settlement. From Tel Aviv to Haifa, to Eilat. THAT is the main obstacle to peace, not settlements.

Mr. Tobin Conflates Two Things Here, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2012 #1
Confiscated from whom? holdencaufield Jul 2012 #2
International Law Is Pretty Clear, Sir, And Dates Back More Than a Century In Current Form The Magistrate Jul 2012 #3
You seem to disagree with the Levy report. Bradlad Jul 2012 #6
Not A Very Impressive Document, Sir: Netanyahu Appointed People To Write What He Wanted To Read The Magistrate Jul 2012 #7
I don't have any problem with your opinions. Bradlad Jul 2012 #8
It Is A Military Occupation, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #9
Yes Bradlad Jul 2012 #10
The Argument Has No Merit Whatever, Sir, And Israel Does Not Hold Legal Sovereignty The Magistrate Jul 2012 #11
In my comment . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #15
Israel Is Engaged In Military Occupation, Sir, Of Territory It Had, And Has, No Sovereignty Over The Magistrate Jul 2012 #17
Wow! Bradlad Jul 2012 #21
That Article, Sir, Does Not Remotely Support Your Claim The Magistrate Jul 2012 #22
Hidden in your deflection about "loyalty" . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #23
When You Have Reviewed The 1907 Hague Convention, Sir, Try 'The Blind Men And The Elephant'... The Magistrate Jul 2012 #24
Your comment . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #25
would you agree that sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #65
You would concede that none of this applies to Israel's settlements in Syrian territory? shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #35
Well . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #37
Our debate opponents here refuse to see the difference b/w Syria & the WB.... shira Jul 2012 #38
Yes Bradlad Jul 2012 #39
So in other words, if I offer $10,000 for the murder of X shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #41
Yes, in that case . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #42
unless of course you are in occupied Syrian territory... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #43
Article 46 Bradlad Jul 2012 #44
You're almost getting into "Yes Minister" territory there Brad... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #45
Article 46 Bradlad Jul 2012 #46
My apologies, Brad... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #47
Your question is still confusing. Bradlad Jul 2012 #48
Article 49 refers to forced deportations... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #49
No. I believe that is prohibited by Article 49. n/t Bradlad Jul 2012 #50
Here's one for you. Bradlad Jul 2012 #52
Its an interesting question... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #59
And that's an interesting answer. Bradlad Jul 2012 #62
The rest of my answer: Bradlad Jul 2012 #63
I'm not sure that you're being consistent, Brad... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #64
I think you're being very consistent. Bradlad Jul 2012 #66
I think you're starting to lose the plot, Brad... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #67
I think the plot is easily visible to anyone . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #68
Goodbye, Brad (nt) shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #69
The Palestinians don't have legal sovereignty either. And Jews do have rights to settlement... shira Jul 2012 #16
The Point You Are Missing, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2012 #19
Israeli govt inducements for Israelis to live beyond the green line is not forceful transfer.... shira Jul 2012 #29
Yes and no. aranthus Jul 2012 #18
Military Occupation Does Not Presume A State's Prior Sovereignty, Nor Is That Necessary For It The Magistrate Jul 2012 #20
Shira,I am 100% behind Israel,you can tell by my posts here. The settlements need to be dismantled. Swede Jul 2012 #4
They need to negotiate... holdencaufield Jul 2012 #5
The current borders are no more or no less defensible than the 1967 borders... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #33
Nor is time on Israel's side Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56
Agreed LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #12
Why? Bradlad Jul 2012 #26
No... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #34
because there is no other possibility. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #51
"when we can trust them"? are you Israeli ? your profile says Canada azurnoir Jul 2012 #28
I presume he was inferring that Jews are unable to trust Muslims... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #36
If either Abunimah or Tobin said that the sky was blue and the grass was green LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #13
True, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2012 #14
Israel's settlements are illegal, and it is an illegal occupation. PDJane Jul 2012 #27
"Israel ...will end in annihilation" holdencaufield Jul 2012 #30
Read it again. Palestinians are going to be the ones annihilated......... PDJane Jul 2012 #31
Given that... holdencaufield Jul 2012 #32
I don't. PDJane Jul 2012 #40
"Israel will not survive it." holdencaufield Jul 2012 #54
I'm an apostate Jew. I've been listening to the brainwashing and the altered history. PDJane Jul 2012 #57
"I'm an apostate Jew" holdencaufield Jul 2012 #58
Indeed Israel started in terrorism. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #53
The conflict couldn't have been avoided, because the Ergun started the terrorism PDJane Jul 2012 #60
Well, that's just absurd. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #61
Tobin's reading the flash cards Scootaloo Jul 2012 #55
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