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In reply to the discussion: Surplus Jews [View all]azurnoir
(45,850 posts)93. neither Meir or Ben-Gurion were born in Ottoman Palestine it was Russia and Poland
Golda Mabovitch (Ukrainian: Ґольда Мабович was born on May 3, 1898, in Kiev, Russian Empire, in present-day Ukraine, to Blume Neiditch (died 1951) and Moshe Mabovitch (died 1944), a carpenter. Meir wrote in her autobiography that her earliest memories were of her father boarding up the front door in response to rumors of an imminent pogrom. She had two sisters, Sheyna and Tzipke, as well as five other siblings who died in childhood. She was especially close to Sheyna.
Moshe Mabovitch left to find work in New York City in 1903.[5] In his absence, the rest of the family moved to Pinsk to join her mother's family. In 1905, Moshe moved to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in search of higher-paying work and found employment in the workshops of the local railroad yard. The following year, he had saved up enough money to bring his family to the United States.
Golda Meir, 1910
Golda Meir in Milwaukee, 1914
Blume ran a grocery store on Milwaukee's north side, where by age eight Golda had been put in charge of watching the store when her mother went to the market for supplies. Golda attended the Fourth Street Grade School (now Golda Meir School) from 1906 to 1912. A leader early on, she organized a fund raiser to pay for her classmates' textbooks. After forming the American Young Sisters Society, she rented a hall and scheduled a public meeting for the event. She went on to graduate as valedictorian of her class, despite not knowing English at the beginning of her schooling.
At 14, she studied at North Division High School and worked part-time. Her mother wanted her to leave school and marry, but she rebelled. She bought a train ticket to Denver, Colorado, and went to live with her married sister, Sheyna Korngold. The Korngolds held intellectual evenings at their home, where Meir was exposed to debates on Zionism, literature, women's suffrage, trade unionism, and more. In her autobiography, she wrote: "To the extent that my own future convictions were shaped and given form [...] those talk-filled nights in Denver played a considerable role." In Denver, she also met Morris Meyerson (1893-1951), a sign painter, whom she later married on December 24, 1917.[6]
Moshe Mabovitch left to find work in New York City in 1903.[5] In his absence, the rest of the family moved to Pinsk to join her mother's family. In 1905, Moshe moved to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in search of higher-paying work and found employment in the workshops of the local railroad yard. The following year, he had saved up enough money to bring his family to the United States.
Golda Meir, 1910
Golda Meir in Milwaukee, 1914
Blume ran a grocery store on Milwaukee's north side, where by age eight Golda had been put in charge of watching the store when her mother went to the market for supplies. Golda attended the Fourth Street Grade School (now Golda Meir School) from 1906 to 1912. A leader early on, she organized a fund raiser to pay for her classmates' textbooks. After forming the American Young Sisters Society, she rented a hall and scheduled a public meeting for the event. She went on to graduate as valedictorian of her class, despite not knowing English at the beginning of her schooling.
At 14, she studied at North Division High School and worked part-time. Her mother wanted her to leave school and marry, but she rebelled. She bought a train ticket to Denver, Colorado, and went to live with her married sister, Sheyna Korngold. The Korngolds held intellectual evenings at their home, where Meir was exposed to debates on Zionism, literature, women's suffrage, trade unionism, and more. In her autobiography, she wrote: "To the extent that my own future convictions were shaped and given form [...] those talk-filled nights in Denver played a considerable role." In Denver, she also met Morris Meyerson (1893-1951), a sign painter, whom she later married on December 24, 1917.[6]
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David Ben-Gurion was born in Płońsk, Congress Poland, which was then part of the Russian Empire. His father, Avigdor Grün, was a lawyer and a leader in the Hovevei Zion movement. His mother, Scheindel, died when he was 11 years old. Aged 14 he and two friends formed a youth club, Ezra, promoting Hebrew studies and emigration to the Holy Land.
In 1905, as a student at the University of Warsaw, he joined the Social-Democratic Jewish Workers' Party Poalei Zion. He was arrested twice during the Russian Revolution of 1905. In 1906 he emigrated to Ottoman Palestine. A month after his arrival he was elected to the central committee of the newly formed branch of Poalei Zion in Jaffa, becoming chairman of the party's platform committee. He advocated a more nationalist program than other more leftist/Marxist members of the committee. The following year he complained about the Russian domination of the group. At the time the Jewish population in Palestine was around 55,000 of whom 40,000 held Russian citizenship.
Left to right; seated Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, David Ben-Gurion, Yosef Haim Brenner; standing A. Reuveni, Jacob Zerubavel (1912)
In 1907, having been working picking oranges at Petah Tikvah, Ben-Gurion moved to the settlements in Galilee where he worked as an agricultural labourer and withdrew from politics. In 1908 he joined an armed group acting as watchmen at Sejera.
On 12 April 1909, following an attempted robbery in which an Arab from Kfar Kanna was killed, Ben-Gurion was involved in fighting in which one of the watchmen and a farmer from Sejera were killed.[4]
In 1905, as a student at the University of Warsaw, he joined the Social-Democratic Jewish Workers' Party Poalei Zion. He was arrested twice during the Russian Revolution of 1905. In 1906 he emigrated to Ottoman Palestine. A month after his arrival he was elected to the central committee of the newly formed branch of Poalei Zion in Jaffa, becoming chairman of the party's platform committee. He advocated a more nationalist program than other more leftist/Marxist members of the committee. The following year he complained about the Russian domination of the group. At the time the Jewish population in Palestine was around 55,000 of whom 40,000 held Russian citizenship.
Left to right; seated Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, David Ben-Gurion, Yosef Haim Brenner; standing A. Reuveni, Jacob Zerubavel (1912)
In 1907, having been working picking oranges at Petah Tikvah, Ben-Gurion moved to the settlements in Galilee where he worked as an agricultural labourer and withdrew from politics. In 1908 he joined an armed group acting as watchmen at Sejera.
On 12 April 1909, following an attempted robbery in which an Arab from Kfar Kanna was killed, Ben-Gurion was involved in fighting in which one of the watchmen and a farmer from Sejera were killed.[4]
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board arguing against Israel's "right to exist".
Crunchy Frog
Feb 2012
#2
Also plastic buckets and batteries for your flashlights, those are very important
shaayecanaan
Jun 2012
#20
You think a principal belief of judaism is a joke?........Sick I call it......n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#32
As much right as any other ethnic group living in an area, territory or region......
kayecy
Jun 2012
#42
Were Palestinian rights to self-determination less than other peoples?..................
kayecy
Jun 2012
#53
Kayecy, the Jews/Zionists conducted their negotiations and diplomacy w/ both the Turks and Brits...
shira
Jun 2012
#61
Shira...Please leave Bradlad and Holdencaufield to answer for themselves on this thread........n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#64
Israel did recognize and accept the citizenship and equal rights of their Arab population in 1948.
Fozzledick
Jun 2012
#25
so all countries discriminate against minorities so that makes it ok for Israel too? got it
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#29
So Kayecy, you believe where there's discrimination there are no equal rights? Does that apply...
shira
Jun 2012
#60
How can you possibly claim that it was a moral way to establish a new nation?....
kayecy
Jun 2012
#63
On the contrary, Zionists most certainly do, and you have just proved my point............
kayecy
Jun 2012
#71
Kayecy, you're trying to excuse Palestinians for the same evil that the rest of the world...
shira
Jun 2012
#76
OMG. Are you seriously saying Palestinians could have just up and moved somewhere else??
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#80
And because of that it shouldn't be suggested for it to be done to any other people...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#101
It's pretty pointless trying to deny what you said. It's right there in yr post...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#100
I always find these multilayer attacks on posters usually ProPalestinian interesting
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#126
Your “collaboration” do not intend to declare UDI, or seize sovereign control of Fort Green.....
kayecy
Jun 2012
#138
How could Palestinians have a right to reject immigration < 1948 when the Brits...
shira
Jun 2012
#151
Kayecy, you're still blaming the Jews for negotiating with the only established powers of that time
shira
Jun 2012
#177
Got it thank you...I wonder which figure is correct...Approx 2,000 or 1,303....n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#131
What language did the "indigenous" Palestinmian Jews speak in normal everyday conversation
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#89
neither Meir or Ben-Gurion were born in Ottoman Palestine it was Russia and Poland
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#93
Wrong. UNRWA doesn't define who's a Palestinian. It defines who's a refugee...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#102
"...they must have been using a common language whatever their ancestery..."
holdencaufield
Jun 2012
#144
so what you are asking us to believe here is that Jews in Palestine prior to the 3rd aliyah
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#153
As an American I hardly find people speaking multiple languages "fantastical' or mythical
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#156
so I take it you can not really refute this can you oh you can go on and on about
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#158
wrong about what that the Jews of Palestine prior to the very late 19th century were ethnically Arab
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#162
And no one should end up at the mercy of a world where no one wants them, agreed.
Ken Burch
Jun 2012
#82
Israel was achieved without oppressing other people. Their enemies shouldn't have...
shira
Jun 2012
#91
Yeah, an end to occupation is an end to occupation. Negotiate further for more, stop stalling...
shira
Jun 2012
#111
Stalling nope however a viable Palestinian state is the desired end to the occupation
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#121
Team Palestine, especially here @ DU, has constantly called for Israel to end the occupation...
shira
Jun 2012
#122
Not for or against an opinion could only be given after what Israel is offering is seen
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#123
What's being offered? A unilateral withdrawal. There are no demands of the Palestinians. n/t
shira
Jun 2012
#127