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In reply to the discussion: Surplus Jews [View all]kayecy
(1,417 posts)71. On the contrary, Zionists most certainly do, and you have just proved my point............
Zionist don't avoid the question. It should be self evident to anyone who values liberal democratic principles.
On the contrary, Zionists most certainly do, and you have just proved my point............I asked you to explain why ethically, you think people living in a "stateless" territory should have less rights to reject immigration than people fortunate enough to live in a sovereign state?
Your response contained no reference to ethics........You do, however, mention legitimacy, laws of the land, democracy, constitution, government....all of which the 1920s Palestinians wanted but were prevented from having by Britains military occupation.........Using their money, influence and high-level political connections the Zionists achieved British approval to create a homeland in Palestine....Do you think that was ethical of either Britain or the Zionists?
I ask you again: Can you explain why ethically, you think people living in a "stateless" territory should have less rights to reject immigration than people fortunate enough to live in a sovereign state?.
Self determination
Self determination is the idea that people who live in a territory have a right to establish a sovereign democratic government - but it's for all the people who live there, not just the autocratic rulers
Very true.....That is exactly what the 1920s flood of Zionist immigrants prevented.......As you say, self-determination is the idea that people who live in a territory have a right to establish a sovereign democratic government........Had Palestinian residents been allowed to exercise that right in the 1920s or 1930s, the resulting government would have been dominated by Arabs.....Not Zionists, not autocrats, but democratically elected representatives of the people living in the territory
Palestinians were prevented by Britain from exercising the right to self-determination until the Zionists had built up a critical mass.......Was that ethical?
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board arguing against Israel's "right to exist".
Crunchy Frog
Feb 2012
#2
Also plastic buckets and batteries for your flashlights, those are very important
shaayecanaan
Jun 2012
#20
You think a principal belief of judaism is a joke?........Sick I call it......n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#32
As much right as any other ethnic group living in an area, territory or region......
kayecy
Jun 2012
#42
Were Palestinian rights to self-determination less than other peoples?..................
kayecy
Jun 2012
#53
Kayecy, the Jews/Zionists conducted their negotiations and diplomacy w/ both the Turks and Brits...
shira
Jun 2012
#61
Shira...Please leave Bradlad and Holdencaufield to answer for themselves on this thread........n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#64
Israel did recognize and accept the citizenship and equal rights of their Arab population in 1948.
Fozzledick
Jun 2012
#25
so all countries discriminate against minorities so that makes it ok for Israel too? got it
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#29
So Kayecy, you believe where there's discrimination there are no equal rights? Does that apply...
shira
Jun 2012
#60
How can you possibly claim that it was a moral way to establish a new nation?....
kayecy
Jun 2012
#63
On the contrary, Zionists most certainly do, and you have just proved my point............
kayecy
Jun 2012
#71
Kayecy, you're trying to excuse Palestinians for the same evil that the rest of the world...
shira
Jun 2012
#76
OMG. Are you seriously saying Palestinians could have just up and moved somewhere else??
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#80
And because of that it shouldn't be suggested for it to be done to any other people...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#101
It's pretty pointless trying to deny what you said. It's right there in yr post...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#100
I always find these multilayer attacks on posters usually ProPalestinian interesting
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#126
Your “collaboration” do not intend to declare UDI, or seize sovereign control of Fort Green.....
kayecy
Jun 2012
#138
How could Palestinians have a right to reject immigration < 1948 when the Brits...
shira
Jun 2012
#151
Kayecy, you're still blaming the Jews for negotiating with the only established powers of that time
shira
Jun 2012
#177
Got it thank you...I wonder which figure is correct...Approx 2,000 or 1,303....n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#131
What language did the "indigenous" Palestinmian Jews speak in normal everyday conversation
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#89
neither Meir or Ben-Gurion were born in Ottoman Palestine it was Russia and Poland
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#93
Wrong. UNRWA doesn't define who's a Palestinian. It defines who's a refugee...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#102
"...they must have been using a common language whatever their ancestery..."
holdencaufield
Jun 2012
#144
so what you are asking us to believe here is that Jews in Palestine prior to the 3rd aliyah
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#153
As an American I hardly find people speaking multiple languages "fantastical' or mythical
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#156
so I take it you can not really refute this can you oh you can go on and on about
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#158
wrong about what that the Jews of Palestine prior to the very late 19th century were ethnically Arab
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#162
And no one should end up at the mercy of a world where no one wants them, agreed.
Ken Burch
Jun 2012
#82
Israel was achieved without oppressing other people. Their enemies shouldn't have...
shira
Jun 2012
#91
Yeah, an end to occupation is an end to occupation. Negotiate further for more, stop stalling...
shira
Jun 2012
#111
Stalling nope however a viable Palestinian state is the desired end to the occupation
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#121
Team Palestine, especially here @ DU, has constantly called for Israel to end the occupation...
shira
Jun 2012
#122
Not for or against an opinion could only be given after what Israel is offering is seen
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#123
What's being offered? A unilateral withdrawal. There are no demands of the Palestinians. n/t
shira
Jun 2012
#127