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In reply to the discussion: Surplus Jews [View all]kayecy
(1,417 posts)53. Were Palestinian rights to self-determination less than other peoples?..................
It was ethically right because then as now, there was nothing ethically wrong with any human beings trying to settle their families in any stateless territory
It appears that you believe that being born in a territory gives the residents of that territory no right to reject incomers?......That Israelis have no ethical right today to stop immigrants coming to Israel?....Do you really believe that?
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I just answered you question even though you avoided mine
I never intentionally avoid sensible, logical questions.......Which of your questions are you claiming I avoided?
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Was it ethically right for black US citizens to impose themselves on white Americans in the 50's and try to move into white neighborhoods and have their children attend white schools when the majority of the residents of those neighborhoods did not want blacks integrating into white society?
Of course there was no ethical objection to black citizens moving to white areas.....Both areas were part of the USA....Both peoples were subject to Federal law and similar in terms of language and religion.
Were the Zionist Jews moving from one part of Palestine to another?...Were they coming from one part of the Ottoman Empire to another?....Were the Zionist Jews ruled by the same sovereign authority as the Palestine residents?.....Were the blacks different from the whites in terms of language or religion?
You seem to have forgotten why the Zionists immigrated to Palestine......The Zionists wanted to flood the place with so many refugees that eventually Zionists would be a majority in Palestine so that they could control it, make it culturally Jewish and eventually declare at least part of it independent......Right from the start, the Zionists intended to create a majority Jewish state irrespective of the wishes of the native-born Palestinians......Did the blacks moving to white areas of America plan to disenfranchise the whites?.....Were they planning to create a black majority in the white areas so that when there was a black majority they could declare independence from the rest of America?
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My above questions are merely rhetorical....We both know the answers, but you will, I am sure, use the excuse that the Palestinians were "stateless"....So the question for you is to explain why ethically, you think people living in a "stateless" territory should have less rights to reject immigration than people fortunate enough to live in a sovereign state?.........Why, ethically, you think these unfortunates, should have their basic right to self-determination overturned by alien immigrants?
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board arguing against Israel's "right to exist".
Crunchy Frog
Feb 2012
#2
Also plastic buckets and batteries for your flashlights, those are very important
shaayecanaan
Jun 2012
#20
You think a principal belief of judaism is a joke?........Sick I call it......n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#32
As much right as any other ethnic group living in an area, territory or region......
kayecy
Jun 2012
#42
Were Palestinian rights to self-determination less than other peoples?..................
kayecy
Jun 2012
#53
Kayecy, the Jews/Zionists conducted their negotiations and diplomacy w/ both the Turks and Brits...
shira
Jun 2012
#61
Shira...Please leave Bradlad and Holdencaufield to answer for themselves on this thread........n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#64
Israel did recognize and accept the citizenship and equal rights of their Arab population in 1948.
Fozzledick
Jun 2012
#25
so all countries discriminate against minorities so that makes it ok for Israel too? got it
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#29
So Kayecy, you believe where there's discrimination there are no equal rights? Does that apply...
shira
Jun 2012
#60
How can you possibly claim that it was a moral way to establish a new nation?....
kayecy
Jun 2012
#63
On the contrary, Zionists most certainly do, and you have just proved my point............
kayecy
Jun 2012
#71
Kayecy, you're trying to excuse Palestinians for the same evil that the rest of the world...
shira
Jun 2012
#76
OMG. Are you seriously saying Palestinians could have just up and moved somewhere else??
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#80
And because of that it shouldn't be suggested for it to be done to any other people...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#101
It's pretty pointless trying to deny what you said. It's right there in yr post...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#100
I always find these multilayer attacks on posters usually ProPalestinian interesting
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#126
Your “collaboration” do not intend to declare UDI, or seize sovereign control of Fort Green.....
kayecy
Jun 2012
#138
How could Palestinians have a right to reject immigration < 1948 when the Brits...
shira
Jun 2012
#151
Kayecy, you're still blaming the Jews for negotiating with the only established powers of that time
shira
Jun 2012
#177
Got it thank you...I wonder which figure is correct...Approx 2,000 or 1,303....n/t
kayecy
Jun 2012
#131
What language did the "indigenous" Palestinmian Jews speak in normal everyday conversation
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#89
neither Meir or Ben-Gurion were born in Ottoman Palestine it was Russia and Poland
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#93
Wrong. UNRWA doesn't define who's a Palestinian. It defines who's a refugee...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 2012
#102
"...they must have been using a common language whatever their ancestery..."
holdencaufield
Jun 2012
#144
so what you are asking us to believe here is that Jews in Palestine prior to the 3rd aliyah
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#153
As an American I hardly find people speaking multiple languages "fantastical' or mythical
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#156
so I take it you can not really refute this can you oh you can go on and on about
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#158
wrong about what that the Jews of Palestine prior to the very late 19th century were ethnically Arab
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#162
And no one should end up at the mercy of a world where no one wants them, agreed.
Ken Burch
Jun 2012
#82
Israel was achieved without oppressing other people. Their enemies shouldn't have...
shira
Jun 2012
#91
Yeah, an end to occupation is an end to occupation. Negotiate further for more, stop stalling...
shira
Jun 2012
#111
Stalling nope however a viable Palestinian state is the desired end to the occupation
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#121
Team Palestine, especially here @ DU, has constantly called for Israel to end the occupation...
shira
Jun 2012
#122
Not for or against an opinion could only be given after what Israel is offering is seen
azurnoir
Jun 2012
#123
What's being offered? A unilateral withdrawal. There are no demands of the Palestinians. n/t
shira
Jun 2012
#127