Israel/Palestine

kayecy

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35. I prefer to use my words........

Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:55 AM

Jun 2012

... just to be clear. It's your contention that Jews/Israelis believe non-Jewish lives are worth less than Jewish lives?

I prefer to use my words......Many Jews/Israelis believe that Palestinian lives, suffering and rights are less important than Jewish/Israeli lives, suffering and rights.

You think that is not self-evident?

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Surplus Jews [View all] shira Feb 2012 OP

When people question the right of Israel to COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #1

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board arguing against Israel's "right to exist". Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #2

Because you haven't seen it, it must not exist? Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #3

Makes me want to go out and buy more ammo NT holdencaufield Feb 2012 #4

Also plastic buckets and batteries for your flashlights, those are very important shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #20

Don't come bangin'... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #21

More guns, more amo resulting in more deaths........n/t kayecy Jun 2012 #22

I can think of several specific examples... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #23

Yeah, well a lot of people in Israel seem to think otherwise........ kayecy Jun 2012 #26

You misspelled Goy holdencaufield Jun 2012 #31

You think a principal belief of judaism is a joke?........Sick I call it......n/t kayecy Jun 2012 #32

What you are describing is NOT a principal belief of judaism. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #83

The G.O.I is an acronym for Government of Israel azurnoir Jun 2012 #164

So... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #34

I prefer to use my words........ kayecy Jun 2012 #35

No, I do not think that is self-evident holdencaufield Jun 2012 #36

You didn't answer my question............. kayecy Jun 2012 #38

What right? Bradlad Jun 2012 #40

As much right as any other ethnic group living in an area, territory or region...... kayecy Jun 2012 #42

Are you under the impression... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #43

What proportion of Zionist immigrants had relatives in Palestine?....... kayecy Jun 2012 #45

What proportion? Bradlad Jun 2012 #47

What right, indeed. Bradlad Jun 2012 #46

That was exactly what I was trying to do...... kayecy Jun 2012 #50

Good try. Bradlad Jun 2012 #52

Were Palestinian rights to self-determination less than other peoples?.................. kayecy Jun 2012 #53

Do you perchance live in a border state? holdencaufield Jun 2012 #56

Unfortunately it is not so easy to find a similar situation........ kayecy Jun 2012 #57

Progressive? holdencaufield Jun 2012 #58

Can I take it that you have now withdrawn your implied slur on my character? kayecy Jun 2012 #59

Kayecy, the Jews/Zionists conducted their negotiations and diplomacy w/ both the Turks and Brits... shira Jun 2012 #61

Shira...Please leave Bradlad and Holdencaufield to answer for themselves on this thread........n/t kayecy Jun 2012 #64

The Ottomans and the British had no authority to negotiate Ken Burch Jun 2012 #167

They were the only realistic options for Jews to negotiate with... shira Jun 2012 #168

well./.. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #104

Of course. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #103

Thanks for posting that part of the ToS azurnoir Feb 2012 #6

It isn't expressly forbidden because no one calls for it. aranthus Feb 2012 #7

ah so I'll take your word for it in DUs 11 year history azurnoir Feb 2012 #8

I'm not asking you to take my word for it. aranthus Feb 2012 #9

indeed I must ask just what is your beef here seems azurnoir Feb 2012 #10

Quoi? aranthus Feb 2012 #11

Really that's interesting azurnoir Feb 2012 #12

I was referring to your post #10. n/t aranthus Feb 2012 #13

It's forbidden by implication to advocate the destruction of the US.. LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #14

What if one advocates that it might be a good thing Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #16

Come on, what do you think the BDS movement is all about? shira Feb 2012 #5

Comparing Israelis to Nazis? Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #15

My buddies are radical settlers? shira Feb 2012 #17

Israel did recognize and accept the citizenship and equal rights of their Arab population in 1948. Fozzledick Jun 2012 #25

Maybe true in 1948, but today the reality is different....... kayecy Jun 2012 #27

Give it up on the delegitimization and demonization... shira Jun 2012 #28

so all countries discriminate against minorities so that makes it ok for Israel too? got it azurnoir Jun 2012 #29

The point is Kayecy was wrong. Fozzie was right. n/t shira Jun 2012 #30

That's what reading CAMERA, does to you Shira............Get real! kayecy Jun 2012 #33

And that's what extreme anti-zionism does to you, Kayecy... shira Jun 2012 #37

And that is how extreme nationalism can blind anyone to reality........ kayecy Jun 2012 #39

Let's see who is blinded to reality.... shira Jun 2012 #41

Thank you for that admission Shira......... kayecy Jun 2012 #44

But Fozzie is still right. Arabs are citizens w/ equal rights in Israel.... shira Jun 2012 #48

Not true Shira........ kayecy Jun 2012 #49

When you say Arab Israelis did not have equal rights in 1948... shira Jun 2012 #51

Ah, the land that might have been!............. kayecy Jun 2012 #54

"unfortunately I did not rule the world at that time..." holdencaufield Jun 2012 #55

So Kayecy, you believe where there's discrimination there are no equal rights? Does that apply... shira Jun 2012 #60

Kayecy, since you don't believe Israel has any right to exist... shira Jun 2012 #62

How can you possibly claim that it was a moral way to establish a new nation?.... kayecy Jun 2012 #63

As opposed to conquering it militarily? Way more progressive than that... shira Jun 2012 #65

Have your final say (as usual) and we'll end this futile discussion....... kayecy Jun 2012 #66

Now that this trainwreck of a thread is winding down . . Bradlad Jun 2012 #67

Like Shira, it appears you still have a colonial mindset ............. kayecy Jun 2012 #69

In your above ramblings- Bradlad Jun 2012 #70

On the contrary, Zionists most certainly do, and you have just proved my point............ kayecy Jun 2012 #71

And you have totally failed. Bradlad Jun 2012 #72

I do try to respond to all reasonable requests.............. kayecy Jun 2012 #73

The UDHR? That's rich. Bradlad Jun 2012 #74

You seem to have difficulty in interpreting basic principles........ kayecy Jun 2012 #75

Kayecy, you're trying to excuse Palestinians for the same evil that the rest of the world... shira Jun 2012 #76

You are beginning to see who are the innocents in this conflict......... kayecy Jun 2012 #77

You are not making sense. Bradlad Jun 2012 #78

OMG. Are you seriously saying Palestinians could have just up and moved somewhere else?? Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #80

What you described actually did happen with respect to Jews oberliner Jun 2012 #84

And because of that it shouldn't be suggested for it to be done to any other people... Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #101

Interesting comment. Bradlad Jun 2012 #86

It's pretty pointless trying to deny what you said. It's right there in yr post... Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #100

Bradlad........Let me try and explain why you are mistaken....... kayecy Jun 2012 #81

You have absolutely no understanding of the history of the region oberliner Jun 2012 #85

You did not answer. Bradlad Jun 2012 #87

I'm sorry, I thought I had spelt it out for you......... kayecy Jun 2012 #88

Kayecy, the ethical argument as to why Jews should've been allowed in... shira Jun 2012 #90

your argument... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #109

Thanks for trying to make it clearer. Bradlad Jun 2012 #110

A zionist immigrant invasion against poor, defenseless people? shira Jun 2012 #68

you keep referring to the indigenous Arabs as being "poor and helpless." Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #105

Shaktimaan - Thank you for trying to make it clear to Bradman..... kayecy Jun 2012 #112

ok Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #113

Interesting.....Have I misunderstood the UDHR?......... kayecy Jun 2012 #115

you somewhat misunderstand it, yes. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #116

UDHR Article 30 seems to directly contradict you................ kayecy Jun 2012 #118

Wow! Bradlad Jun 2012 #120

are you serious? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #125

I always find these multilayer attacks on posters usually ProPalestinian interesting azurnoir Jun 2012 #126

huh? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #128

and chest beating a self declared victory too such class azurnoir Jun 2012 #154

Your “collaboration” do not intend to declare UDI, or seize sovereign control of Fort Green..... kayecy Jun 2012 #138

Wow. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #140

second post about ethics Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #142

Could I ask you again to continue your ‘collaboration" analogy?..... kayecy Jun 2012 #149

How could Palestinians have a right to reject immigration < 1948 when the Brits... shira Jun 2012 #151

Let's stop for a minute here. Bradlad Jun 2012 #152

Sure. I actually had not finished my argument yet. Just been busy. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #172

Your post can best me summarized under three headings........ kayecy Jun 2012 #174

No, I don't accept that. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #175

Can I suggest you have the cart before the horse?..... kayecy Jun 2012 #176

Kayecy, you're still blaming the Jews for negotiating with the only established powers of that time shira Jun 2012 #177

This does not have to be complicated. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #178

Sorry, that is not how it will have to work....... kayecy Jun 2012 #180

ok Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #181

I think this answers your question...... kayecy Jun 2012 #183

sigh Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #184

What exactly was the early Zionist’s ultimate goal? ...... kayecy Jun 2012 #185

finally. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #186

Why are you so reluctant to answer my simple question?......... kayecy Jun 2012 #187

cheap insults are the mark of the desperate. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #188

Thank you for your 1,500 word response!.... kayecy Jun 2012 #191

OK Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #192

one last thing Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #193

It occurs to me... Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #194

I will attempt to answer all three of your posts at one go........ kayecy Jul 2012 #195

I can simplify this. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #196

Thank you for your 1,400 word simplification!.... kayecy Jul 2012 #197

this is absurd Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #198

Can we get this equality of rights thing clear?......... kayecy Jul 2012 #199

sure. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #200

Don't forget... Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #201

Let us by all means stick to those issues ........... kayecy Jul 2012 #202

sorry for the delay. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #203

Why were only Jewish political rights to be protected? ......... kayecy Jul 2012 #204

interesting. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #205

I wonder why you chose to make such an misleading statement?... kayecy Jul 2012 #206

Let's save some time Bradlad Jul 2012 #207

On ethics Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #189

lastly, don't forget about fort greene Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #190

Additionally, you may find this interesting. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #182

additional.... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #173

you misunderstand. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #143

casualties Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #117

Unable to find pre-independence casualies in your references......... kayecy Jun 2012 #119

huh? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #124

a clarification Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #129

Got it thank you...I wonder which figure is correct...Approx 2,000 or 1,303....n/t kayecy Jun 2012 #131

Taking a slightly different tack . . Bradlad Jun 2012 #114

What language did the "indigenous" Palestinmian Jews speak in normal everyday conversation azurnoir Jun 2012 #89

Most likely Arabic. You think the Jews of Palestine were considered Arabs? shira Jun 2012 #92

neither Meir or Ben-Gurion were born in Ottoman Palestine it was Russia and Poland azurnoir Jun 2012 #93

Looks like you need to make another apology Shira!..............n/t kayecy Jun 2012 #94

Yep, my bad. Ben Gurion moved there in 1906.... shira Jun 2012 #95

He was a Polish Jew, at least until the advent of the modern state of Israel azurnoir Jun 2012 #96

You realize UNRWA defines a Palestinian as someone who moved there... shira Jun 2012 #97

As of May 14 1948 they all became Israeli didn't they? azurnoir Jun 2012 #98

Nice dodge. shira Jun 2012 #99

Wrong. UNRWA doesn't define who's a Palestinian. It defines who's a refugee... Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #102

Most likely Ladino holdencaufield Jun 2012 #130

Thanks I was wondering when somone would think of something anything azurnoir Jun 2012 #132

A lot of time and energy has been spent on this group... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #133

ah but really not much time has been spent on that what has been said azurnoir Jun 2012 #134

Maybe because... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #135

Go Back and look at my comment the time frame I was referring to was azurnoir Jun 2012 #136

The Jewish Diaspora... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #137

Just to bring a little reality in this discussion........ kayecy Jun 2012 #139

Rabbi Moses ben Nahman Girondi holdencaufield Jun 2012 #141

"...they must have been using a common language whatever their ancestery..." holdencaufield Jun 2012 #144

Thank you for those inteeresting details, but..... kayecy Jun 2012 #145

If you don't deny... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #146

I don't really want to go over the same argument again,....... kayecy Jun 2012 #147

It's a smart man... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #148

You didn't answer the question, Kayecy, anywhere... shira Jun 2012 #150

so what you are asking us to believe here is that Jews in Palestine prior to the 3rd aliyah azurnoir Jun 2012 #153

Beleive what you choose to believe... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #155

As an American I hardly find people speaking multiple languages "fantastical' or mythical azurnoir Jun 2012 #156

Thank you for teaching me Jewish History holdencaufield Jun 2012 #157

so I take it you can not really refute this can you oh you can go on and on about azurnoir Jun 2012 #158

Some things you might have missed... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #159

geez the assuming continues lol azurnoir Jun 2012 #160

Time to hang up your argument... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #161

wrong about what that the Jews of Palestine prior to the very late 19th century were ethnically Arab azurnoir Jun 2012 #162

BDST Fozzledick Jun 2012 #24

French Jews say Lyon assault latest in series of anti-Semitic incidents shira Jun 2012 #18

France: Three Jews Beaten With Hammers, Iron Bars by Islamic Youths shira Jun 2012 #19

22 yrar-old Eritrean subject to knife attack by five Israelis.................. kayecy Jun 2012 #79

And no one should end up at the mercy of a world where no one wants them, agreed. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #82

Israel was achieved without oppressing other people. Their enemies shouldn't have... shira Jun 2012 #91

so you seem to be advocating for Barak's noise to be accepted sight unseen? azurnoir Jun 2012 #106

Most likely similar to the withdrawal noise from 2 years ago... shira Jun 2012 #107

so you wish for Abbas to accept new 'temporary' borders? azurnoir Jun 2012 #108

Yeah, an end to occupation is an end to occupation. Negotiate further for more, stop stalling... shira Jun 2012 #111

Stalling nope however a viable Palestinian state is the desired end to the occupation azurnoir Jun 2012 #121

Team Palestine, especially here @ DU, has constantly called for Israel to end the occupation... shira Jun 2012 #122

Not for or against an opinion could only be given after what Israel is offering is seen azurnoir Jun 2012 #123

What's being offered? A unilateral withdrawal. There are no demands of the Palestinians. n/t shira Jun 2012 #127

first off has Israel's PM backed this up has he gone before the public and this what we're going to azurnoir Jun 2012 #163

There's no such thing as "Team Palestine" Ken Burch Jun 2012 #166

There's no way he could declare statehood with 60% Ken Burch Jun 2012 #165

How do you know it would be non-contiguous? And even if it were... shira Jun 2012 #169

Well, that's patently untrue. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #171

No one is suggesting that the Palestinians accept any kind of blind deal. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #170