The world is what it is (Reply #23) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: Joe Romm: Why James Hansen Is Wrong About Nuclear Power [View all]

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:09 PM

kristopher (29,798 posts)

23. The world is what it is

Neither of us like it, but I don't think rants as a 'self loathing human' are helpful in any sense. I agree with your sentiments but conclude that moving away from a civilization built on centralized energy is the linchpin to solving the resultant problem of a world with ethics based on consumerism.

Recommended reading for others not as familiar with the issue:
http://www.rmi.org/Knowledge-Center/Library/E77-01_EnergyStrategyRoadNotTaken

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53 replies	Author	Time	Post
Joe Romm: Why James Hansen Is Wrong About Nuclear Power [View all]	kristopher	Jan 2016	OP
I really appreciate this article.	Gregorian	Jan 2016	#1
Happy it helps.	kristopher	Jan 2016	#5
Nuclear is not going to 'solve it's nagging problems'	bloom	Jan 2016	#2
So much mental horsepower being wasted on the wrong problem.	GliderGuider	Jan 2016	#3
As if you'd know what the right problems are...	kristopher	Jan 2016	#4
Bless the witless minions of the so-called "natural" gas industry.	hunter	Jan 2016	#6
Yep, a baseload system around nuclear would lock in heavy natgas consumption	kristopher	Jan 2016	#7
Fuck this shit:	hunter	Jan 2016	#22
The world is what it is	kristopher	Jan 2016	#23
I'm not a "self loathing human..."	hunter	Jan 2016	#26
You may be right...	kristopher	Jan 2016	#27
What is it about this consumer economy you can't do without?	hunter	Jan 2016	#28
Any time there is trade there is a "consumer economy".	kristopher	Jan 2016	#33
Then we pass like every other "innovative" exponentially growing population that has gone before us.	hunter	Jan 2016	#34
"Special"?	kristopher	Jan 2016	#35
Biology. It's been around a long time.	hunter	Jan 2016	#36
That's your core argument?	kristopher	Jan 2016	#39
Is that all you got?	hunter	Jan 2016	#40
When you keep rephrasing the same point...	kristopher	Jan 2016	#42
KerTWANG!	Nihil	Jan 2016	#46
I believe the chief problem is one of perceived absolutes	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#8
Yes, I've heard your 'belief' on this before, and you still	kristopher	Jan 2016	#9
Romm’s stance appears to be similar to mine	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#10
No it isn't.	kristopher	Jan 2016	#11
Then you misrepresent my stance	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#12
Your stance is clearly stated in the thread linked above	kristopher	Jan 2016	#13
A clearer statement from Romm	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#14
Not true. You are reading very selectively (again).	kristopher	Jan 2016	#15
You must be mistaking me with a straw man	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#16
That isn't relevant to the topic.	kristopher	Jan 2016	#17
You claim I “have been an unambiguous promoter of nuclear power for years.”	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#18
It's a flat fact.	kristopher	Jan 2016	#19
Then prove it or apologize	OKIsItJustMe	Jan 2016	#20
Riiiiight...	kristopher	Jan 2016	#21
The long list of links given says its not (nt)	LouisvilleDem	Jan 2016	#52
Joe Romm is yet another arsonist complaining about forest fires.	NNadir	Jan 2016	#24
Riiiight.... " Regulators question CO2 plan for $19.3 billion Virginia nuclear reactor"	kristopher	Jan 2016	#25
As some kind of Luddite I disagree with you about many things...	hunter	Jan 2016	#29
The implication being that he is the true environmentalist	cprise	Jan 2016	#31
?	hunter	Jan 2016	#32
Here in this forum, about a decade ago...	cprise	Jan 2016	#30
Since, at 440 reactors nuclear only supplied about 2% of global final energy supply...	kristopher	Jan 2016	#37
2% ?	progressoid	Jan 2016	#47
Check the titles to the charts	kristopher	Jan 2016	#48
I get that. But who made that chart?	progressoid	Jan 2016	#49
Perhaps that's the question you should have asked then.	kristopher	Jan 2016	#50
Essentially, they look at opposite ends of this type of chart	kristopher	Jan 2016	#51
Has anyone produced an updated (e.g., 2015) version of that 2010 diagram yet?	Nihil	Jan 2016	#53
No. We can choose a high energy industrial society or not.	hunter	Jan 2016	#38
There you go again with meaningless metrics	kristopher	Jan 2016	#41
I've maybe slept with, but not quite fucked, some of your heroes.	hunter	Jan 2016	#43
I have no idea what you are talking about.	kristopher	Jan 2016	#44
Lucky you. It was just a dream.	hunter	Jan 2016	#45

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